A Superstorm for Global Warming Research

[jandar]

What would be more helpful is simply allowing the scientist to drive the debate instead of pundits and politicians.

That would work, save for the fact that Mann and Jones and the IPCC blocked scientists from getting their hands on the same raw data to work on.

That's where the controversy lies, no, it doesn't prove or disprove global warming, but when you block the data from anyone else seeing it and running their models, how can you be certain, unless of course you believe that the science is already settled and its all voodoo magic otherwise.

This is a lie, Jandar.  Obviously you did not make it up, but are merely propagating it.  Again.

Not that it matters, because your opinion on the matter cannot be trusted after the humiliating and time consuming debacle on the East Anglia email matter.

So in other words, Go F*** yourself, your opinion means nothing?

Seriously Stephen?

You lost me on this board. I am hereby requesting deletion of my account, or dismissal of you as moderator.

[jandar]

What would be more helpful is simply allowing the scientist to drive the debate instead of pundits and politicians.

That would work, save for the fact that Mann and Jones and the IPCC blocked scientists from getting their hands on the same raw data to work on.

That's where the controversy lies, no, it doesn't prove or disprove global warming, but when you block the data from anyone else seeing it and running their models, how can you be certain, unless of course you believe that the science is already settled and its all voodoo magic otherwise.

This is a lie, Jandar.  Obviously you did not make it up, but are merely propagating it.  Again.

Not that it matters, because your opinion on the matter cannot be trusted after the humiliating and time consuming debacle on the East Anglia email matter.

So in other words, Go F*** yourself, your opinion means nothing?

Seriously Stephen?

You lost me on this board. I am hereby requesting deletion of my account, or dismissal of you as moderator.

Still waiting.....

[buckethead]

It's a sorry state of affairs when a noble steward of the planet can be driven into such dispair by a bunch of frothing teabaggers.

Life has become "awful" for Phil Jones. Just a few months ago, he was a man with an enviable reputation: the head of the Climate Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia in Norwich, England, an expert in his field and the father of an alarming global temperature curve that apparently showed how the Earth was heating up as a result of anthropogenic global warming.

Those days are now gone.

Nowadays, Jones, who is at the center of the "Climategate" affair involving hacked CRU emails, needs medication to fall sleep. He feels a constant tightness in his chest. He takes beta-blockers to help him get through the day. He is gaunt and his skin is pallid. He is 57, but he looks much older. He was at the center of a research scandal that hit him as unexpectedly as a rear-end collision on the highway.

His days are now shaped by investigative commissions at the university and in the British Parliament. He sits on his chair at the hearings, looking miserable, sometimes even trembling. The Internet is full of derisive remarks about him, as well as insults and death threats. "We know where you live," his detractors taunt.

Jones is finished: emotionally, physically and professionally. He has contemplated suicide several times recently, and he says that one of the only things that have kept him from doing it is the desire to watch his five-year-old granddaughter grow up.

[simms3]

To deny that scientists are motivated by funding authorized by politicians with an alterior motive is insane.  I go to a major research university and am acquaintanced and friends with many researchers and their students (I have participated myself), but I do know the reality of the game.  Scientists are just as prone to human error as any other group of people and cannot be trusted to be 100% unbiased and correct.  These articles were great.  I am all for sustainability and green design, I preside over a student organization that promotes said ideas, but global warming imho is just a ploy by displaced communists and naive followers to implement control over populations of people and companies all in the name of saving the planet. 

There are real environmental crises/problems that should be addressed and could be addressed, but aren't probably because they don't allow for control over people.  One of these problems is our crumbling infrastructure system (broken sewer system for example) which has already proven disastrous and certainly does not give our country an edge over others and certainly does not help the environment.

Jandar...I had to leave skyscraperpage.com for similar, but imho much more extremem reasons.  I had been a member for the majority of the decade and had been following the site since its inception.  I don't see so many personal attacks on here and the board seems to be pretty diverse in political opinion and personal background.  Please stay!

[jandar]

Like I said, still waiting...

Stephen has a tendency to attack those who don't blindly follow his ideas.
Maybe his thought process is to drive page views to this site by being so blatantly closed minded and pissing people off,

If I stay, its only because I put Stephen on ignore. Sorry Stephen, I don't care for anything you say anymore. You have attacked and apologized to me in the past, but sorry, once is enough.

Now excuse me while I go find a way to get Trasher's dumb ass out of office.

[jandar]

Hey Look, more drivel by mr Dare.

When another side does nothing but scream, call names, and dribble endlessly about implausible theories involving 'liberals', 'socialists' and the like, and offers nothing at all in the way of proof other than smears on the personal lives of al gore and barbra streisand, or intones solemnly that its all just a scam while endlessly posting opinion peices plucked from the pages of magazines bought and paid for by the industries which would be affected Im not going to be convinced.  Indeed, no one with more brain cells than required to punch a clock and operate an automoblie would.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/mar/10/nicholas-stern-accuses-climate-change-deniers
St Nicolas Stern compares climate skeptics to Flat Earth Society people.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/33371.html
Bernie Sanders compares skeptics to Holocaust Deniers.

tit for tat Stephen.

When I am listening to a debate, and one side offers facts (which have been exhaustively presented on these forums----from the indications of temperatutre to the reactants in chemical processes to the observable changes, ipcc reports and the areas of consensus that led to the wording of the reports-----then I am going to do what a rational person does.  I am going to be convinced by the weight of the data.

Unlike you, I do my own research. IPCC reports were based on flawed data, they even threw the data sets out the building and didn't store them so they could be properly compared and analyzed.
The whole MWP was washed out of the temp curve since it didn't jive with AGW.

You are the type that will happily protest the oil companies making 3% profit, all the while swallowing Apple's crappy products and 50% profit margin (and horrible slave camps that make their profits)

But when they get angry that any lack of proof or logical positive data that supports their claim is failing to convince me that they are correct, then im going to assume that they either have an agenda or brain damage.  Or worse.

So because I cannot convince you, I am brain damaged? Who is calling who names?


But from previous posts, you only believe someone is a scientist if they are working on solving AGW. Even if they are not trained climatologists.


BTW, do not try to group me with Neocons.
I am a fiscal conservative who does not believe in god. Therefore, I shouldn't even exist by your estimations.