Idea for Welfare, Unemployment & Child Support

[Sigma]

Thanks JagsFan.

Over 40 years of liberal ideology and the "war on poverty" has done nothing but keep the poorest of the poor dependent on the government.  Katrina anyone?  Now we have several generations of poor who know nothing but the federal government to provide for them.  They don't think about "how" the government does this.  They don't care that the government forces other citizens to do without in order to provide for them.

And yes, Stephen, if you are involved in illegal activities, it is the employers business.

[BridgeTroll]

Where would you draw the line, BT?

Illegal drugs.

[Sportmotor]

Legally, child support is provided for the benefit of the child (yes, I know, sometimes the child doesn't benefit as much as it should).  Therefore, cutting off child support because a parent failed a drug test would never fly.

It would show you are an unfit parent and unless you have a medical perception the children would be taken and placed else where from child services.

[Sportmotor]

Why is unemployment on the list? Most people on welfare are women, most that benefit from child support are women. Thesw are 3 different situatuons. Where does foodstamps fall in? Could you clarify the agenda here?

Can you get a job if you fail a pee test?

[Sportmotor]

2009
Human Resources
$789 billion:
• Health/Human Services
• Soc. Sec. Administration
• Education Dept.
• Food/Nutrition programs
• Housing & Urban Dev.
• Labor Dept.
• other human resources.

Are we really fusing that the government spends less than 1/3rd of it's budget on our country's citizens?

I have no problem having our military get 1/3 of the Nation's budget. I will introduce you to some combat vets to tell them yourself you think that the government is spending to much money on them if you would like tho

Again, this was off topic I dont care if you dont like the US Budget, start a US Budget thread, this is a differnt one.

[Sigma]

yes it is ^^, and so is Ken Lay and Bernie Madoff.  Just your attempt at a straw man.  It's ok, we're used to it.

The cheater, the liar, the scammer, the confidence trickster is a pretty universal presence in all levels of our society.

And you had already answered your own question before you asked it.

[Sportmotor]

Well Sportsmotor.  What if one of the parents is gay or lesbian?  Many people refuse to hire gay or lesbian employees.  Since they are doing something that an employer would disagree with, should their children be taken from them?

Are the parents doing any Illegal drugs? Yes then they need to be taken away from the household.
Are the parents gay? Yes, who cares the kids will most likely be better dressed then the other kids anyway. No, then who cares.

As far as what private company's do, if they have a public face and have to appeal to a specific audience then yes I can see why they would be firing a gay guy or gal. I don't like it, but I understand it.
If you have a product aiming for hardcore-right-wing-bible-thumping-republican-monstertruck watching-KKK members, they yes having a flaming gay spokesmen will probley not help sell your product.



What people do in their private time is there own business, Yes I agree; BUT if tax payer money is going to help you on your feet, or not sink as fast and you are pulling unemployment it becomes the government's business when you are Knowingly breaking the law doing drugs which will prevent you from bettering your situation.

I wouldn't hire someone who does weed(and Iv done it!) because I don't want my company's name tarnished or a drug raid or any problems relating.

[Sportmotor]

Well I have a huge problem with the military getting this much of a budget.

Its not off topic incidentally.

Then we can send you overseas with a thin skinned(couldnt stop a peltgun) Humvee and no body armor?

[Sportmotor]

so gay people on welfare shouldnt have kids?

I see where you going with this btw

Are you thrown in jail for being gay?

[BridgeTroll]

What people do in their private time is there own business, Yes I agree; BUT if tax payer money is going to help you on your feet, or not sink as fast and you are pulling unemployment it becomes the government's business when you are Knowingly breaking the law doing drugs which will prevent you from bettering your situation.

And this is the crux of the conversation... or should be.

[Sportmotor]

If you have time to go find drugs, or make it yourself. You have time to be finding a new job, taking care of your kids, or doing something productive.

That was 82' I am talking about laws...now here in 2010 over 25 years later.

[Sportmotor]

What a silly statement.

Do you have kids?

Do you do drugs?
Kids are a full time job, finding a job on tax payer money needs to be a full time job. If you can walk to your local dealer go home and fuck yourself up for a couple hours, you arnt watching your children, or making an effort to find a job.

[JagFan07]

Again the "Fair Tax" is part of the solution.
Welfare cheats who work under the table will be taxed each time they purchase something therefore contributing. The prebate prevents the poor from being taxed on the basic necessities of life up to the poverty level. All taxes will be transparent, nothing hidden.

[Sigma]

I think you are on "something" now, as you can't stay focused on the thread topic. 

[Sportmotor]

I think you are on "something" now, as you can't stay focused on the thread topic. 

Thats why I logged off.