Misleading Petitions

[sheclown]

 The car wash petition is just another in a line of misleading petitions (remember the rooming house petition?)

Point is, there are approximately 100 people in this neighborhood who may have been given false information on a business which will be opening in Springfield and effectively hurting this car wash before it is even open.  Damaging its reputation.

From Porch Cats:

The signatures on the petition have no correlation to SPAR membership. I had a neighbor (an active supporter and member of SPAR) stop by my house with said petition one evening this past week, asking me to sign. He was going door to door, not necessarily seeking out SPAR members (as I am not.) At the beginning of the conversation I was told we needed to sign the petition to stop yet another convenience store coming into the neighborhood. I thought that clearly misleading - I already knew the exception was for the car wash, not the convenience store - and made that clear.  So - I question how many people who signed that petition actually knew what they were signing for. And clearly, signatures weren't limited to SPAR members.

Petitions are public record. Easily obtained from COJ.   Perhaps we ought to contact all persons who have signed this petition and give them the correct info on the car wash? 

[CS Foltz]

sheclown that is a great idea..............get a copy, only need one, cost would be minimal and cross reference to see just how many SPAR members actually signed! They could have stood on a street corner and just accosted people that were passing by.............not being very upfront with information or accuracy!

[Springfielder]

thankfully, it doesn't really matter...the opposition lost. However, it would show a more realistic view as to whom they got to sign it, whether it was under misleading information or not...

[fsu813]

Ok.

For the final time.

I've stated this 3 seperate times now.

The latest being a few days ago.

I have a copy of the "misleading" petition in my email.

If anyone would like to see it, PM me.

You can clearly see that it was mistakenly misused (it was from a former meeting) and that is doesn't exactly have to do with the issue that was at hand that evening at all.

Curiously, noone has PMed about seeing it.



So, do Strider, Stephen, & Sheclown have a qouto of negative propaganda threads they have to start each month or what?

Seriously.

I mean, I know that it's CS Foltz & Chrisufwgator's role to jump in and agree with everything blindly, but they don't start the threads though.

[Debbie Thompson]

Well, I signed one of them based upon opposition by some friends of mine. No, I wasn't deceived into thinking it was anything but a petition against the car wash re-opening, and no it wasn't the one from the SPAR meeting that we thought was a sign-in sheet (me included) and wasn't used.  It was an earlier one I signed at a different meeting and it was clearly stated that's what I was signing.  No deception.  

I later changed my mind sort of, but still wish it wasn't located on one of a couple remaining brick streets, and still wish the ingress and egress was from Main Street.  However, I didn't think to remove my name from the petition, or even know if I could have.  Point is, some of the people who signed their names may have re-thought their opposition.

[ChriswUfGator]

SPAR. Busted. Again.

[strider]

FSU813, just post the petition then. Or PM it to me and I will.  You can blank out the names if you do not have a blank version; in fact, I suggest it, as even though this petition is now public record, the names do not matter to this discussion.

Personally, I am more concerned of how the interpretation of the code was explained as it has been said many times by it's detractors that the overlay prevented the opening of intensive automotive uses and therefore the car wash was not allowed.  Not a correct explanation. The overlay does not prevent the opening of a car wash.

This is the type of thing that concerns me.  It is the same type of issue that has been brought forward against SPAR Council in the past and one that should not occur again.  Even if ten of the names on the list were given misleading information, it should be corrected and the member who did it be prevented from doing it again.

From personal experience, it is the spreading of propaganda and  misinformation on the part of SPAR Council that causes the biggest problems in this community and causes the riffs between  the various groups.  Misuse of petitions is simply one of the way this occurs.

[Debbie Thompson]

Or, maybe it was thought we'd be smart enough to look at what we were signing.  I didn't even look at it...just assumed it was a sign in sheet.  I think that makes me the one that looks silly.

[ChriswUfGator]

When someone says "Please remember to sign in" at a meeting, and the "sign-in sheet" is arranged so that the metal hasp on the clipboard is obscuring the part of the paper that indicates that it's actually a petition not a sign-in sheet, then I don't think that makes anyone look dumb, except the people who got caught trying to pull a fast one.

[sheclown]

I was thinking more along the lines of the car wash petition, what was said to entice people to sign it.  Problem being that the car wash will open and a group of neighbors have been given the wrong impression.  It may damage the chances of the car wash being successful.

[CS Foltz]

Or it just might show your neighborhood just how incorrect that SPAR's viewpoint seems to be! Encouraging business that would bring people into that part of the world is a must! Look of whatever business takes up residence there should be SPAR's primary concern..........not "Oh no another convience store" ....we can't have this! Neighborhood participation is a must for any organization, not a small group(of how many people?) having the final say!

[chris farley]

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I was thinking more along the lines of the car wash petition, what was said to entice people to sign it.  Problem being that the car wash will open and a group of neighbors have been given the wrong impression.  It may damage the chances of the car wash being successful.
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This was not a SPAR petition, It was done by a very honorable person. Please stop boxing shadows and by all means go check the petition.
As for the opposition losing, if they lost they were the most graceful = congratulating Jones.  In fact I think it was a win win.  The conditions imposed aid us all.  The cars may not turn into the residential area so it is almost on and off Main.  Without the conditions, the car wash could have opened the next day as is but, now the landscaping and all the promised changes have to happen before one car may be washed.  The exception may not be passed on, it is for Jones only.  The store may sell only car related products.  Hours only in daylight 8-6.  Please do not try to set up the signers as the probable cause of the business failing especially on rented land with a somewhat short lease but, I do see that coming, since I feel there are not enough cars to wash in Springfield for that huge  investment.  I looked at the support petition on facebook and could not tell what subject was of the petition.
Please its over  let it go and stop witch hunting, and wash your cars every day.

[thelakelander]

I wish Mr. Jones the best.  With that said, when he spoke at a SAMBA meeting in November, he mentioned the market he was after was much larger then Springfield.

[sheclown]

me too.

[CS Foltz]

I do not follow blindly at all fsu813! I am a leader, I do not follow............now strider has said you can go two ways......either post the E Mail in question or PM  the thing to him! You take your pick but either way, cough up or shut up! Tyranny should be opposed no matter where it exists!