Mica, Crenshaw and Stearns Vote Against American Clean Energy and Security Act

[FayeforCure]

Not sure what Ock wants to imply.

Certainly we all believe in Lincoln's famous phrase "government of the people, by the people, for the people."

Unfortunately it's largely been replaced by:

1.  "government of Big Oil, by Big Oil, for Big Oil"

2.  "government of Big Pharma, by Big Pharma, for Big Pharma"

3.  "government of Big Insurance and Banking, by Big Insurance and Banking, for Big Insurance and Banking"

4.  "government of War Industry, by War Industry, for War Industry"

Where the heck is Main Street in all of this?

[BridgeTroll]

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Main street does not believe for one micro second that Mica et al are against clean american energy.  Main street understands that they are simply against THIS bill.

[FayeforCure]

Main Street understands that Mica et al are bought and paid for by the industries they represent.

In 2009, lobbying expenditures by industry:

Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $199,323,702
Insurance $122,065,251
Oil & Gas $120,669,855
Electric Utilities $108,163,536
Business Associations $92,696,817
Computers/Internet $88,847,937
Misc Manufacturing & Distributing $84,363,782
TV/Movies/Music $77,861,927
Hospitals/Nursing Homes $77,465,842
Education $73,913,389
Air Transport $65,222,973
Securities & Investment $64,048,548
Civil Servants/Public Officials $62,214,865
Health Professionals $59,328,887
Health Services/HMOs $52,834,453
Real Estate $48,877,077
Automotive $46,789,615
Misc Issues $45,674,321
Telecom Services & Equipment $41,141,263
Misc Energy $40,478,642

http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?showYear=2009&indexType=i

Can you back up your statements?

[FayeforCure]

Or another way of looking at it is lobbyist-client numbers by issue:

Issue No. of Clients*
Fed Budget & Appropriations 39,185
Health Issues 17,948
Taxes 17,261
Defense 16,879
Transportation 14,232
Energy & Nuclear Power 10,895
Education 10,577
Trade 10,360
Environment & Superfund 9,650
Medicare & Medicaid 8,346

http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=u

[Ocklawaha]

So you mean that you won't take a campaign dime or 5 minutes for an interest group (industry, hospital etc) if your elected? Do you or did you run a campaign from your own pocket? Nobody donated? Nobody that donated worked? Perhaps they agreed to give up their jobs in the interest of redistribution of the "wealth"? I'm here to tell you it doesn't work, there isn't enough wealth and THAT is a simple Marxist style plan that would result in the equal distribution of poverty nationwide. I do note that the Democratic Party doesn't take a dime from any labor or industry group... NOT!

Well there it is folks, if Faye runs again, donate, donate, donate, but resign your own "Special Interest" first! Yeah Faye, that explains WHY you will never get elected in NE Florida.


OCKLAWAHA

[copperfiend]

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Main street does not believe for one micro second that Mica et al are against clean american energy.  Main street understands that they are simply against THIS bill.

He cares about John Mica getting re-elected.

[FayeforCure]

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Main street does not believe for one micro second that Mica et al are against clean american energy.  Main street understands that they are simply against THIS bill.

He cares about John Mica getting re-elected.

So true. Campaign contributions by industry do come with strings attached. Both parties have been bought and paid for, that's why about 25% of us do not belong to either party, and many are calling for public financing of campaigns.

Well here is what Senator LeMieux e-mailed me ( a friendly form letter):

Dear Ms. Armitage:

Thank you for your correspondence regarding how our nation should address climate change issues. The issue of climate change and attempts to mitigate its impacts by controlling greenhouse gas emissions is highly complex. Having grown up in Florida, I have a great appreciation for our state’s natural beauty and the fragile nature of our ecosystem. I’m also aware of the impact new regulations can have on economies and families.

Our nation can be a leader on mitigating the impacts of pollution and carbon emissions by investing heavily in alternative energy and clean technologies. I support wind, solar, and nuclear power, as well as other renewable sources of energy. By making the necessary investments now, the United States can lead a clean energy revolution and demonstrate energy independence in a matter of decades.

On June 26, 2009, the U.S. House of Representatives approved the American Clean Energy and Security Act (H.R. 2454). H.R. 2454 would place an absolute cap on greenhouse gas emissions covering the energy, transportation, and commercial services industries. Over time, the emissions allowance would be reduced and covered industries would be required to buy, sell, or trade pollution credits in order to remain compliant with federal environmental policy.

Recently, the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works approved the Clean Energy Jobs and American Power Act (S. 1733) with no amendments offered. The Senate bill sets a more stringent emissions reduction target of 20 percent by 2020, compared to 17 percent in the House bill. I am reviewing the proposal passed by the Environment and Public Works Committee and the House-passed bill, but I am concerned about the difficulties it will put on working families and those on fixed incomes in Florida through increased energy prices and higher utility bills.

I am closely following the legislative proposals addressing climate change and will make the best decisions I can for the people of Florida and the United States as a whole. It is an honor and privilege to serve the people of the great State of Florida in the United States Senate. I take great pride in being a native Floridian, and I look forward to the tremendous opportunity to better the lives of all Floridians. I assure you I will work hard to represent our state to the best of my ability in the U.S. Senate. If I can be of any help to you, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Sincerely,

George S. LeMieux
United States Senator

bolding mine. Will check into the 17% vs 20% reduction target by 2020.

Higher energy users generally pay more for levels over a certain base amt, so it wouldn't necessarily mean higher utility bills for the poor. High end users should be paying for their excessive use. Besides Dems are generally very attuned to the plight of the poor........., so it likely is just rhetoric used by the opposition to the bill.

Meanwhile the US is not adequately investing in Clean Energy, and keeping us dependent on Imported Oil.

We need a forward looking approach to this. What happened to the Bold Leadership the US was known for in the past?

[copperfiend]

It's no different for either party. Alot of Democrats were upset that Biden voted for bankruptcy law changes a few years back. But he is from Delaware and he knows who signs the checks.

[buckethead]

I'd be happy to sell you guys some carbon credits.

[BridgeTroll]

Main Street understands that Mica et al are bought and paid for by the industries they represent.

  No they arent!  What you are describing are bribes.  They happen to be illegal.  Are you contending that Mica and others have been bribed to vote against your bill?  Pretty bold statement by someone who is running for office.  Can I quote you on that? 

Are republicans the only ones who are getting the contributions you list?  Are you contending that those industries are not allowed to have a say in legislation or be allowed to contribute to political parties or campaigns??

[Ocklawaha]

For those that believe this is another Ocklawaha joke post, I assure you, the sentiments are quite real.

Not sure what Ock wants to imply.

Certainly we all believe in Lincoln's famous phrase "government of the people, by the people, for the people."

Sorry Faye, I'm going to check out on this. I NEVER want it to be suggested that I am one of the "we all" that quote Lincoln.  What the man said and what he ultimately did are two different worlds. No government that burns, rapes and kills it's citizens is of, by, or for the people. A Union by force is not a Union, it is a form of indirect enslavement. Federal troops that laid waste to the South were not representative of anything I would want to claim. Frankly, Lincoln was the "Rebel" and Booth quite possibly the hero.



Boy I bet I've pissed off every lemming and minion of a despotic government! I figure you just got a bunch of robotic friends on line.

OCKLAWAHA
DEO VINDICE Y'ALL!

[FayeforCure]

Campaign contributions by industry do come with strings attached. Both parties have been bought and paid for, that's why about 25% of us do not belong to either party, and many are calling for public financing of campaigns.

Requoted for BT,......I guess you missed this.

Hmmmm, starting to worry about the tea you drink at those tea parties Ock

[FayeforCure]

Campaign contributions by industry do come with strings attached. Both parties have been bought and paid for, that's why about 25% of us do not belong to either party, and many are calling for public financing of campaigns.

Requoted for BT,......I guess you missed this.

Hmmmm, starting to worry about the tea you drink at those tea parties Ock

BTW, if you want the feds out, doesn't that apply to John Mica, Ander Crenshaw and Cliff Stearns too? They are after all part of the federal government. Let's be consistent here!

[Ocklawaha]

Hmmmm, starting to worry about the tea you drink at those tea parties Ock

Some people think it was the 3,592 acid trips I took, but not really, it could be I am just UNreconstructed, as was/is my whole family. Not to worry Faye, tea parties were in Boston, I wouldn't be caught dead doing anything they do.

OCKLAWAHA

[Ocklawaha]

BTW, if you want the feds out, doesn't that apply to John Mica, Ander Crenshaw and Cliff Stearns too? They are after all part of the federal government. Let's be consistent here!

Sure, and the horse they rode in on too! I said I know Mica, think he's a nice guy and gave him the commuter rail plan similar to Sunrail. That doesn't mean I like the fact that we are an occupied country.

OCKLAWAHA