DT roads going to two-way

[buckethead]

And I also agree with the other posters, that Union and State are the only two streets that have anything close to enough traffic to justify being one-way. Everything else should be two-way. The point of the one-way grid was to carry an amount of traffic downtown hasn't seen in at least two decades, and probably won't again in our lifetime. In the meantime, growth isn't helped by inconveniencing those who do want to go there.

I don't, move that traffic to a new and improved version of the MLK, take both of these streets down to ground level to the Stadium area, THEN ramp them over the bridge or MLK, with street level access to the Hart. Remade into big wide Argentina style boulevards or parkways, they could be both beautiful and useful.



OCKLAWAHA

Another no-brainer, easily implemented solution fostering urban core renewal!


I was reading this thread and wondering if an elevated version of state/union could improve the area, but your solution is so simple it's midboggling.

Have our city planners ever considered such?

(errr... mindbottling)

[sheclown]

I love the idea of two way streets again.

And especially Main Street.  You ought to go slow down Main Street, anywhere you are.

[Debbie Thompson]

And I'll be real daring here and say State and Union should be two way as well. We already have a limited access east-west expressway just a couple of miles north. Utilizing State and Union as expressways (which they essentially are) cuts off the urban neighborhoods of Springfield/Eastside/Durkeeville from being a part of a downtown. When I mentioned that recently, someone said "they have to empty the stadium quickly." However, why should traffic decisions for the entire year be based on a few hours of traffic flow during 12 days a year? (10 Jags, Ga/Fla and Gator Bowl.) I know...it'll probably never happen, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't. :-)

[stjr]

And I'll be real daring here and say State and Union should be two way as well. We already have a limited access east-west expressway just a couple of miles north. Utilizing State and Union as expressways (which they essentially are) cuts off the urban neighborhoods of Springfield/Eastside/Durkeeville from being a part of a downtown. When I mentioned that recently, someone said "they have to empty the stadium quickly." However, why should traffic decisions for the entire year be based on a few hours of traffic flow during 12 days a year? (10 Jags, Ga/Fla and Gator Bowl.) I know...it'll probably never happen, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't. :-)

A "compromise" would be to stripe State and Union like Bay Street just was.  Most of the time, it's two way, but during rush hour or special events, it is mostly or entirely in one direction.  This would be the best of all worlds.

[tpot]

Does anyone else find all the traffic lights on the street a little overwhelming, especially at night?  I drove through there the other night and it looked a little crazy with all the added green arrows and red X's on top of all the normal traffic lights................

[tufsu1]

All the lights just add to the entertaionment district feel   

[hanjin1]

Yea I can see where the lights could distract some new drivers

[Ken_FSU]

DIA's identified funding to convert Forsyth and Adams streets to two-way.

https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2020/02/12/dia-finds-money-to-two-way-a-pair-of-downtown.html?iana=hpmvp_jac_news_headline

[Steve]

Awesome, but I wouldn't start with these two. I'd start with Hogan and Julia. But, these should definitely be done.

[jagsonville]

DIA's identified funding to convert Forsyth and Adams streets to two-way.

https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2020/02/12/dia-finds-money-to-two-way-a-pair-of-downtown.html?iana=hpmvp_jac_news_headline

Awesome! That's a lot of money to just change signs...are they going to remove parking on one side and make angled parking on one side and a wide buffered bike lane connecting to the emerald trail?

[jagsonville]

Awesome, but I wouldn't start with these two. I'd start with Hogan and Julia. But, these should definitely be done.

I agree with Hogan (maybe that will happen when their is more money in the emerald trail plan) but Julia can wait imo, right now it's surrounded by parking lots, garages and municipal buildings.

[Peter Griffin]

That's a lot of money to just change signs...

It's a lot more than just changing signs. You've got to repave, re-stripe, install new traffic signals, reconfigure pavement markings on adjacent roadways, AND change signs.

[Steve]

Awesome, but I wouldn't start with these two. I'd start with Hogan and Julia. But, these should definitely be done.

I agree with Hogan (maybe that will happen when their is more money in the emerald trail plan) but Julia can wait imo, right now it's surrounded by parking lots, garages and municipal buildings.

Try this: Go west on Adams, Duval, or Ashley, and try to make a left if you miss the left turn on Laura. It's Clay then Jefferson. Less about the individual roads and more about the usability of all of downtown.

Though I acknowledge, by doing Forsyth and Adams you could spur retail development.

[jagsonville]

Awesome, but I wouldn't start with these two. I'd start with Hogan and Julia. But, these should definitely be done.

I agree with Hogan (maybe that will happen when their is more money in the emerald trail plan) but Julia can wait imo, right now it's surrounded by parking lots, garages and municipal buildings.

Try this: Go west on Adams, Duval, or Ashley, and try to make a left if you miss the left turn on Laura. It's Clay then Jefferson. Less about the individual roads and more about the usability of all of downtown.

Though I acknowledge, by doing Forsyth and Adams you could spur retail development.

Agreed. I think Lori is most interested in enhancing retail development. I guess in the perfect world she would probably do more and is essentially exhausting all available money to get Forsyth and Adams done. Too bad she thought it was a bad idea to replenish the fund.. 

[jagsonville]

That's a lot of money to just change signs...

It's a lot more than just changing signs. You've got to repave, re-stripe, install new traffic signals, reconfigure pavement markings on adjacent roadways, AND change signs.

Makes sense, hopefully they also include some other enhancements but maybe $5 million will be just be for the items you listed.