Springfield Community Meeting - 11/05 @ 7pm

[fsu813]

Springfielder,

interpretation?

ok. if you say so.

the legal, grandfathered rooming houses were just mentioned in passing. that was not the topic last night.



cindi,

I wouldn't characterize "if you see something that doesn't look right, observe and document it" as a "witch hunt".

i guess that's another "interpretation" thing, huh?

[Springfielder]

Springfielder,

interpretation?

ok. if you say so.

the legal, grandfathered rooming houses were just mentioned in passing. that was not the topic last night.

Hello....you said my statement was dishonest....when I used the word barrage.

[cindi]

9) cindi, you are correct. There are no more additional facilities allowed, besides the 8 that already exist. But some people have added them anyways. This is black & white, open & closed case. Where the issue gets sticky is a "low-density" home, meaning that they have 5 unrelated people living there (so it's under the 6 limit) but the purpose is still the same. The best example of these would be Strider & Sheclowns "sober houses". While technically legal, it goes against the sentiment of the law/code when written.

since it appears you wish to take everything literal. 5 unrelated people living under one roof is legal. period. just as the CARE system probably wasn't intended to be used as part of a witch hunt.
witch-hunt (plural witch-hunts)
noun 
Definition:
1. campaign against dissenters: an intensive systematic campaign directed against those who have done something wrong or who hold different views
 
i continue to ask, are these houses worse than the crack apartments that are actual apartments?

[ChriswUfGator]

You are presuming that they are illegal, that they are trying to avoid the authorities.

First off, +1

But it's even worse than what you suspect. Not only are you correct in that they make no real effort to work with the property owners, but half the time the "Big L" & company have already turned a place into code enforcement 1,000 times already and COJ has investigated and declared it legal. But they just don't like the result, so they keep right on with the harassment.

I can't believe I'm about to agree with Cindi, but she's spot-on. It's an abuse of the CARE system, which was not designed or intended to assist people with harassing other people they don't like.

[soxfan]

2) I wasn't there when it started, came in 2 minutes late, but noone asked me to "sign in". I did get passed the petition though. I saw it at the end and there were about 25-30 signatures and 2 people's names crossed out. As everyone knows, at every neighborhood meeting (SPAR, Shadco, SAMBA, etc) people are asked to sign in. If she said at the start to "sign in" I'm guessing this is what she was referring to. Besides, the petition was clearly marked at the top of the page. CLEARLY MARKED.

I was one of the first people there last night. The petition was on the table in the front of the room and Louise was telling everyone as they walked in to "Please sign in" not "please sign our petition".  The petition was on a clip board and the word PETITION was NOT CLEARLY MARKED as you would lead people to believe. The word PETITION was covered by the clip holding it to the board. It was passed back through the crowd to be signed, when Matt's lovely wife noticed the word PETITION and pointed it out to us. Matt and I then read it. Matt scratched out his and his wife's name and I passed it along letting the folks behind us know that it was in fact a PETITION and NOT a sign in sheet. What I don't understand, Mr. FSU is, if she wanted people to sign a PETITION why would she refer to it as a sign in sheet??? It was sneaky at best.  Shame on Louise, Claude, and anyone else who is involved in that charade that was called a meeting last night..

[Springfielder]

From the spar website

The petition that was at last night’s Community Meeting WILL NOT be used. Petitions will be available to be signed at a later date.

Gee....I wonder why 

[sheclown]

This is not a complete or accurate list.  Strider will update this later.

[cindi]

So where's the "naughty" list?

[Springfielder]

So where's the "naughty" list?

Maybe Santa's checking it

[zoo]

Re: Springfield Community Meeting - 11/05 @ 7pm
« Reply #74 on: Today at 01:37:56 PM »
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From SPAR Weekly newsletter:

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The Community Meeting on Nov. 5th was very well attended and very productive. Springfield residents asked SPAR to provide the following list of licensed rooming houses.

Licensed Springfield Rooming Houses in compliance with 2007-1046-E

1214-1216 N. Main St.â€"Lone Palm Guest House

1152 N. Laura St.â€"Frances Rooms

133 W. 6th St.â€"Ruth’s Family Home Away From Home

1120 Hubbard St.â€"Alco Halfway House

1222 Hubbard St.â€"(C. Louise Wilson) Vintage Properties

1733 N. Pearl St.â€"Home Away From Home

217 E 1st St.â€"Dortch’s Rooming House

205 E 1st St.â€"Dortch’s Rooming House

20 W 4th St.â€"Alcoholics Service Center

1704-1706 N. Pearl St.â€"City Houses, Inc.

This is the list of "licensed" rooming houses, and there are 10? I thought we were looking for grandfathered rooming houses, of which there are 8? Licensed means they received State license to operate as such, and the State can, and does, issue these licenses without verification of the legality (by zoning code and/or overlay), correct?

[Karl_Pilkington]

1152 N. Laura St.—Frances Rooms

have to say, know this one well.  Know the owner, residents and have to say they're good people! its beautiful inside too.  

[sheclown]

There are a wide variety of licenses for these "rooming houses" -- the ones grandfathered in.  It is complicated and if we are to have a discussion about them, it should have its own thread.  Can we split this?

[Johnny]

Anyone know if tricking people to sign a petition is illegal? Regardless on whether they intend to use this petition, I think it needs to be addressed. That disappoints me that any neighborhood organization would stoop to this level.

Just curious, what has brought up the 16 or so "illegal" rooming houses? Has there been issues at these homes, are the properties not kept, etc..? I mean, illegal rooming houses doesn't seem to be the biggest problem in our neighborhood, though they may contribute in some instances (not sure, just saying the possibility exists). Also, shouldn't SPAR have these urgent meetings to trick people into petitioning the mayor for repairs on brick roads or tax incentives to open businesses here or something?

[Johnny]

Maybe that's why some of us are in a peace bubble. We don't live next to the rooming houses?

[ChriswUfGator]

What is meant by this SPAR created term "suspect"?

"People Louise doesn't like"