New Convenience Store

[sheclown]

To Quote From Gonzo:  We, of all people, have the right to have our say in whether a business should be part of our community.

Actually, you have to be careful here.  While the city does have zoning laws and we have the overlay, you cannot use the overlay to discriminate against businesses that offer services to a particular class or type of person.

What is going to happen here in Springfield is that someone, somewhere is going to challenge the overlay in court and Springfield will lose its overlay.  Or at the very least, the weakness of the overlay will be displayed.

Be careful of the fights you choose to fight.  A car wash/convenience store is certainly not worth it (nor is a sober house).

[cindi]

To Quote From Gonzo:  We, of all people, have the right to have our say in whether a business should be part of our community.

Actually, you have to be careful here.  While the city does have zoning laws and we have the overlay, you cannot use the overlay to discriminate against businesses that offer services to a particular class or type of person.

What is going to happen here in Springfield is that someone, somewhere is going to challenge the overlay in court and Springfield will lose its overlay.  Or at the very least, the weakness of the overlay will be displayed.

Be careful of the fights you choose to fight.  A car wash/convenience store is certainly not worth it (nor is a sober house).

maybe we could just get a little list of things that we as homeowners/residents of any community should be worried about.  that would certainly make things much easier. 

[Dan B]

Actually Cindi, we need a list of things we are ALLOWED to worry about.

[thelakelander]

Everyone, I'd like to keep this thread focused on the car wash application and the pros and cons of having this facility in the community.  We have enough bickering going on already.  Let's keep this thread on topic and discuss in a civil adult manner.  Thanks to all in advance.

[sheclown]

To Quote From Gonzo:  We, of all people, have the right to have our say in whether a business should be part of our community.

Actually, you have to be careful here.  While the city does have zoning laws and we have the overlay, you cannot use the overlay to discriminate against businesses that offer services to a particular class or type of person.

What is going to happen here in Springfield is that someone, somewhere is going to challenge the overlay in court and Springfield will lose its overlay.  Or at the very least, the weakness of the overlay will be displayed.

Be careful of the fights you choose to fight.  A car wash/convenience store is certainly not worth it (nor is a sober house).

maybe we could just get a little list of things that we as homeowners/residents of any community should be worried about.  that would certainly make things much easier. 

This is about whether a person can own and operate a business.  Much like whether or not a person can buy a house.  It isn't up to the residents of the island voting them in.

[sheclown]

Actually Cindi, we need a list of things we are ALLOWED to worry about.

How about the fact that some things are not any of your business.

[cindi]

still waiting on that list of things i am allowed to be concerned about.  and really, the whole hypocritical do goodery?? seriously, isn't there another rotting horse you can start beating.  and - seriously, it isn't any of my business if my neighbor decides to start cooking down meth in his kitchen?  when are the "voices of reason" going to give us permission to worry? is after someone gets kill alright?

again, back to the topic - will this speed up the road repair in that area?  If not maybe the guy can do front end alignments too.  those pot holes are pretty wicked on that street.

[thelakelander]

There is nothing wrong about residents voicing their concerns.  This is no different from what happens in Riverside with RAP or the CPACs.  However, projects don't get denied because someone doesn't want a  store in a zoning classification that allows it along a commercial corridor.  They don't get denied because a road has potholes. The dose of reality is at the end of the day, residents can voice their opinions, but projects will be approved for the most part if they meet the necessary zoning and land use requirements.

What appears to be hard to keep on focus in this converstation is the art of actually working with people to make projects more viable and integrated into the overall vision of the community.  Everybody seems to want to lecture each other (which goes no where) instead of offering ideas for a successful project that can be given to the property owner.  If there are those who oppose 100%, at least tell people/business/property owners why. 

You never know, the property owner may listen to some concerns and address them.  At the end of the day, an leased building with the concerns addressed is better for property values and the community's image than a vacant boarded up one.

[thelakelander]

again, back to the topic - will this speed up the road repair in that area?  If not maybe the guy can do front end alignments too.  those pot holes are pretty wicked on that street.

I just might have to break out the belt in this thread and do a number.  As for the pot holes, one more voice on the street about getting them fixed certainly can't hurt. 

[sheclown]

geez, Lake.  If you are going to be reasonable, we are going to have to ask you to leave.

[sheclown]

There is nothing wrong about residents voicing their concerns. 

As long as they leave the pitchforks and torches at the door.

[thelakelander]

Approaching people wanting to open on Main and coaching them on how to get something designed right and approved certainly sounds like a good business opportunity. 

[sheclown]

Approaching people wanting to open on Main and coaching them on how to get something designed right and approved certainly sounds like a good business opportunity. 

agreed.

[sheclown]

I wonder if we can find a good therapist to open on Main?

Would s/he see Medicaid patients?

[thelakelander]

Just in case anyone forgot.  Here is the application:

















Existing Site Plan


Proposed Site Plan





Working with someone can get you this:


Outright opposing with no discussion will only preserve the decay and tumbleweeds blowing through the area today.