SPAR's "RED ALERT" aimed at neighbors...uses Proton Lab staff and faculty ?!?

[sheclown]

Is the neighborhood zoned for an extended stay hotel?

I think thats a special use according to the overlay isnt it?

The whole "special use" section of the overlay is problematic.  I don't think it could stand any sort of legal scrutiny.  Frankly, I don't see how it became a part of the overlay in the first place.

[strider]

Joe, yeah, 5 and under.

If you have more than 4 un-related roommates

That's what I said -- one post-er ("you" in my quote above, "GG" in the previous post I addressed to them, and their "4 un-related roommates." Last time I checked 1+4=5, or are you practicing some kind of "new math" to go along with your "new law?"

and then let's look at your post, Zoo:

GG, if you use the term "few" correctly (to mean 3), than I believe your situation fits within the description of how many non-family members can legally occupy a single-family home. I think you could even have one more roommate?

If you have more than 4 un-related roommates, then I believe you would be in violation of the current law, and could be subject to enforcement of the law if someone issued a complaint through the City's Code Enforcement division. Hopefully that isn't the case, and you're enjoying living in Springfield!

Sorry, Zoo, I got confused and missed the "I think you could even have one more roommate?"

Still, I did just more or less answer your question then, didn’t I? But then again, I will still apologize for my mistake.  You did sort of read the code after all. 

[strider]

And just for fun, here is an e-mail where a Springfield resident e-mails Louise a post I made on this forum when we were talking about the history of rooming  and boarding houses.



The comment was to show that what was once considered a very appropriate business is now not, but the function  it once served has been taken over by similar types of businesses, which is the Bed and Breakfasts and the extended stay hotel, which, I agree, the 3rd and Main facility is nothing more than a extended stay hotel that happens to be in Springfield. And I also implied that just like the once “grand” Park View Inn, if the economy and business climate dictates it, both of those types of  business will certainly take in a less “classier” clientele to pay the bills.  So in the end, an extended stay motel is not much different than a rooming house, the difference is the code says you must have certain things.  Does anyone believe that if the code said you only had to have a bath for every floor, that places like that would not get built today? (Assuming normal convention (the public) would generally accept a bath on each floor, which it does not today in this country, though it certainly once did.)

This e-mail is particularly nice as it includes that little quote from the August 7th, “SPAR Speaks”.  Note the last lines that state that the overlay prohibits four (4) or Five(5) unrelated adults, which it does not, and contrary to the information provided by Sean Kelly a month or so earlier.

[zoo]

SSDD...

[strider]

As to the possible low density group care home on Boulevard, as of a couple of weeks ago, it was still on.  The HPC nor the Historic Department can not pass judgment on the use of this place.  Comments made about how it was not legal were not true.  It is not a “special use” and therefore an acceptable use with in the RMD-S zoning code. Even some of the requirements stated by Sean Kelly in a few e-mails were not correct and so, there is, as far as I know, no reason this facility will not open unless the owner herself decides not to open it  for some reason.

[strider]

SSDD?  anything like HSUA? We both seem to have that particular problem sometimes.....

[thekillingwax]

Anyone at all thinking of moving to the area should read this forum and know to stay the hell away from Springfield because it's full of little busybodies with waaaaay too much time on their hands. Everything has to be so damned black and white. I don't care if cancer patients and their families stay next door to me on a temporary basis. I do care if a bunch of freaking crackheads shack up there. Somehow in the minds of people here, that's a totally impossible scenario. If SPAR is a joke, the over-reactions here are the punchline.

[Dan B]

Judging Springfield based on 4 or 5 posters here is weak.

Come to a neighborhood event. Maybe even a clean up, and you will see the real Springfield. What your seeing here is just the messy bits.

[sheclown]

The equivalency your desperatly attempting to make is stupid.

Nobody is trying to shut down legally operating facilities (including Joe and Glorias). These are protected by the overlay.
If their facilities had a bedroom and kitchen for each and every client, I dont think anyone would have a single complaint.

Dan, thanks for stating that our house is protected (it is nice to hear it outloud), but it is not protected by the overlay.  Home Away From Home is protected by its grandfathered status.  That would occur anywhere in the city.  The reasoning is that you cannot change the game plan on someone once they are in business and operating. 

The "sober houses" are protected by the city as well, because they are legal rentals and we have ensured that they are, investigated the legality of it before we opened and etc. 

The overlay, and the problems with it, are two fold.  First, it is prejudical in tone, separating classes of legal business.  Secondly, the overlay is "unenforceable" meaning that the city council passed something back in 2000, that it simply does not have the power to enforce.  Check the new labor halls in the area for proof of that. 

Basically, if a business can follow Jacksonville city ordinances and zoning codes, it can operate in Springfield.  Throwing the overlay up as some sort of shield is going to get it seriously challenged and Springfield may lose it.  And that would not be good for the neighborhood.

Also using false information about the overlay puts its very life in danger. SPAR needs to quit doing that immediately.

[sheclown]

Anyone at all thinking of moving to the area should read this forum and know to stay the hell away from Springfield because it's full of little busybodies with waaaaay too much time on their hands. Everything has to be so damned black and white. I don't care if cancer patients and their families stay next door to me on a temporary basis. I do care if a bunch of freaking crackheads shack up there. Somehow in the minds of people here, that's a totally impossible scenario. If SPAR is a joke, the over-reactions here are the punchline.

Some say we are 16 year old girls.  (There is probably nothing more powerful and frightening in the universe).

No one would ever accuse us of being dull or uninteresting.  Springfield has never been for the faint of heart.  That's for damn sure. 

It is an unconventional place for unique people.

[fsu813]

Wait......WAIT....Look what I just found! IT'S A EMAIL FROM THE BROTHER OF A SPAR MEMBER STATING THAT THEY WILL BE GOING TO BUY GATE GASOLINE LATER TODAY!!!!!!!

I can't belive they would be that dumb! Caught red-handed! Everyone knows that since this guys is related to a SPAR member, they probably share the same views. Heck, I heard they were twins! And by buying Gate Gasoline he is directly supporting Mayor Peyton and his corrupt, mafia-style, family business. It's no different that than just slipping a mob boss $40 bucks in a handshake to keep on his goodside!

So in all honestly.....let's get real............SPAR is filling up the coffers of ruthless organized crime.

And all of it's members are implicite! Just a bunch of criminals!

Hey guys, can I run this on the front page of the website? No? Ok, well then i'm going to start 10000000 threads about how horrible SPAR is. Then i'm going to find old emails, regardless of context and history, and plaster them on the threads. Then i'm going to call people's work and check up on them.....do thier bosses know that they are criminals?

Hmmm.....what's my next move. Should I throw tacs & nails in the driveways of SPAR members, while following them around 24/7 with a long lens camera?

No guys! This is NOT over-the-top, i'm just doing my duty!




This is getting pathetic.

Stephen is grasping at anything, ANYTHING, quite literally.

Trying to throw enough mud hoping something will stick.

Since common sense and reasonable arguments don't work with him, it's best to just ignore him as much as possible when it comes these issues.

He thrives on attention and getting a reaction out of people. Don't give it to him on these issues and he'll lose interest.

He and his 3 or 4 like-minded buddies can sit and circle, pass the peace pipe, and take turns going on about why SPAR is horrible until they fall asleep......wake up and do it agian the next day. That's fine, everyone has an opinion.

And everyone else can just watch.

It'll be like when Batman easedropped on The Penguin, The Riddler, & Poison Ivy.

I gotta go to work. =P

[civil42806]

Wait......WAIT....Look what I just found! IT'S A EMAIL FROM THE BROTHER OF A SPAR MEMBER STATING THAT THEY WILL BE GOING TO BUY GATE GASOLINE LATER TODAY!!!!!!!

I can't belive they would be that dumb! Caught red-handed! Everyone knows that since this guys is related to a SPAR member, they probably share the same views. Heck, I heard they were twins! And by buying Gate Gasoline he is directly supporting Mayor Peyton and his corrupt, mafia-style, family business. It's no different that than just slipping a mob boss $40 bucks in a handshake to keep on his goodside!

So in all honestly.....let's get real............SPAR is filling up the coffers of ruthless organized crime.

And all of it's members are implicite! Just a bunch of criminals!

Hey guys, can I run this on the front page of the website? No? Ok, well then i'm going to start 10000000 threads about how horrible SPAR is. Then i'm going to find old emails, regardless of context and history, and plaster them on the threads. Then i'm going to call people's work and check up on them.....do thier bosses know that they are criminals?

Hmmm.....what's my next move. Should I throw tacs & nails in the driveways of SPAR members, while following them around 24/7 with a long lens camera?

No guys! This is NOT over-the-top, i'm just doing my duty!




This is getting pathetic.

Stephen is grasping at anything, ANYTHING, quite literally.

Trying to throw enough mud hoping something will stick.

Since common sense and reasonable arguments don't work with him, it's best to just ignore him as much as possible when it comes these issues.

He thrives on attention and getting a reaction out of people. Don't give it to him on these issues and he'll lose interest.

He and his 3 or 4 like-minded buddies can sit and circle, pass the peace pipe, and take turns going on about why SPAR is horrible until they fall asleep......wake up and do it agian the next day. That's fine, everyone has an opinion.

And everyone else can just watch.

It'll be like when Batman easedropped on The Penguin, The Riddler, & Poison Ivy.

I gotta go to work. =P

Keep at it!! 10000 posts are only a few away

[nvrenuf]

fsu813
Again, I didnt start this thread, and I certainly am not grasping at straws.

But you are right, your time is better spent at work.

At the Proton Center, right?

Cause people at the Proton Center are the problem now? Wow. Unbelievable.

[tufsu1]

please just stop this madness!

[nvrenuf]

Was going to give an equally smarmy comment in return to Stephen but saw TSU's request first so removed it.