SPAR Tries to Pass Law to Ban Non Family Members from Living Together.

[ChriswUfGator]

with the evidence presented so far ..... you would lose...... as if I was a juror anyway.

Thankfully you'd be eliminated in 3 seconds in voir dire, as would anyone else who lives in that neighborhood.

The prejudiced mindset of the majority of residents against rooming houses of any type, without consideration of whether they're legal, and regardless of whether they were there for decades before you ever moved into the neighborhood, is pretty well-documented.

All these mini-napoleons running around screaming "property values" in the middle of what is, quite frankly, still something of a ghetto, is kind of laughable. You chose to move there, and should have accepted what that entailed at the time. This includes a number of *legal* halfway houses and rooming houses that have been around since kingdom come.

I don't understand where this mindset comes from, where I can move into a place and then demand that everybody I don't like all of a sudden has to move out? This reminds me of those idiots who move in right next to an airport then start lobbying to shut it down because of the noise levels.

[ChriswUfGator]

Chris has righteous "spouting" directly from law school.

But isn't "spouting directly from law school" prohibited until you actually pass the bar ? Just wondering.

Not unless I'm charging someone for legal services or misrepresenting something.

When it comes to my personal opinions on SPAR/COJ's Sunshine Law problems, and of how they're treating Joe and Gloria, I'm more than free to spout away. Last time I checked, I still have the right to my own thoughts. 

And assuming this crap is still going on after I take the bar in February and am licensed, I'd happily do this one for free

[ChriswUfGator]

Chris, You're hired!!

You know Gloria, if thats the route you feel you need to go, you might be better off hiring some actual lawyers (you know, ones that are allowed to practice law), rather than the pretend ones that like to spout off around here.

At least, that's what I would do.

Great, I know just who she should hire. Same guy I used when I sued COJ myself earlier this year. I'm sending her a PM right his name and contact info right now, thanks for the suggestion. 

Or like I said, if this is still dragging on after February I'd be more than happy to take this one on for free. 

As to calling me a "pretend" lawyer, where'd you get your JD from again?

[Karl_Pilkington]

Chris has righteous "spouting" directly from law school.

But isn't "spouting directly from law school" prohibited until you actually pass the bar ? Just wondering.

alex, not just passing the bar, but getting through the extensive background and fitness investigation.  Even though one may have passed the bar exam, the Florida Board of Bar Examiners has to issue a certificate of fitness to practice law and takes seriously the unauthorized practice of law, financial irresponsibility, abuse of legal process, evidence of emotional instability etc..  

[ChriswUfGator]

alex, not just passing the bar, but getting through the extensive background and fitness investigation.  Even though one may have passed the bar exam, the Florida Board of Bar Examiners has to issue a certificate of fitness to practice law and takes seriously the unauthorized practice of law, financial irresponsibility, abuse of legal process, evidence of emotional instability etc..  

C&F gets done when you submit your app, generally before you even sit for the exam. They have to give you an exam ticket, you don't just walk in unannounced and take a seat. You know that right?  It's not some open casting call...

And as to your veiled commentary, if you think that my posting my personal opinion of SPAR and COJ's Sunshine Law violations on a public internet forum somehow represents UPL, then I absolutely 110% invite you to call the Bar. Knock yourself out. I don't care, and they won't either.

Maybe you can point out for me where I've said I'm representing anyone? Or that I said I was anything but what I am, which is a law student now waiting to take the bar in February? And maybe you can discuss what I charged the people that I didn't represent for the legal services I didn't provide and didn't claim I was providing? LMFAO, man! I'm just dying to hear how this is somehow UPL. Honestly, I think you should call, just for entertainment value.

[ChriswUfGator]

Hey, here you go, here's their number: (850) 561-5839. Knock yourself out.

[Dan B]

So, just so everyone is clear. Its perfectly reasonable to listen to, and take seriously, a person who tells you all about neighborhood he has never lived in, an organization he has never belonged to, and profession he has never worked in.

Everyone understand now?

[ChriswUfGator]

So, just so everyone is clear. Its perfectly reasonable to listen to, and take seriously, a person who tells you all about neighborhood he has never lived in, an organization he has never belonged to, and profession he has never worked in.

Everyone understand now?

To address your idiotic statements:

1: I've had a couple dozen properties in and around Springfield over the last 10 years, and I'm more familiar with the economics and realities of the place than you'll probably ever be. Which, as a side note, is also why I choose not to live there. Not trying to start another neighborhood vs. neighborhood debate, I'm just being honest.

2: I've never belonged to SPAR, and again that was my choice and not mere happenstance. But I have had more than enough experience with them, none of it positive.

3: I have worked in and grew up in and around the legal profession. Both sides of my family are practicing attorneys going back several generations. I have also gone to law school. So while actually making a living as an attorney will be a new hat to wear for me this coming year, I again probably already know more about that than you ever will. Additionally, I have quite a bit of experience with these very same issues, and have actually sued COJ myself over this same kind of property enforcement B.S.

And since you brought it up, I'm probably the only one commenting here, besides for Joe and Gloria, who actually does have any firsthand experience with this stuff, and that's probably why I have no problem empathizing and seeing the injustice of what they're going through, just because a bunch of idiots whose sole talent is knowing how to dial a phone think it's brilliant to call in B.S. complaints and wage tongue-wagging crusades against their businesses. Bravo! You must be real proud of yourselves.

[ChriswUfGator]

And if anyone has any doubts about the unjust and icy treatment these two well-intentioned people have received from their so-called "neighbors", I think these threads should pretty much sum it up (better than I ever could):

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,6124.0.html

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,5752.0.html

And if you're just looking for general and all-too-common displays of arrogance and attitude by the same type of Springfield residents, against members of their own community, then you really don't need to look far. Or even past the first 4 pages of this forum:

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,1911.0.html

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,5640.0.html

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,6265.0.html

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,5582.0.html

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,5164.0.html

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,4840.0.html

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,6411.0.html

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,6505.0.html

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,4779.0.html

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,4442.0.html

With such a "welcoming" sense of "community" (NOT), I don't see how you can blame people for NOT wanting to move right on in. So yeah, for now, I'll just stay right here on the water in Riverside thanks very much. Watching boats go by is more appealing than watching prostitutes go by while making myself feel better by belittling others and talking down about their businesses. And my neighbors are far less snotty.

[Dan B]

No man, I get it. You aren't engaging in debate, or sharing knowledge. Your teaching the rest of us. Thank you!

[ChriswUfGator]

No man, I get it. You aren't engaging in debate, or sharing knowledge. Your teaching the rest of us. Thank you!

Keep it up, you're doing a great job of displaying the exact arrogance and mindset I was referring to.

And for the record, I think Stephen hit this nail on the head in the (now locked) other thread, when he said that S'fielders seem to have this attitude that, unless you're SPAR-related or at least SPAR-approved, then you're not qualified to discuss anything. Ever.

This is the default argument that ties together all things springfield.

Either no one else has a right to an opinion except for the small bunch of SPAR members, or else they are liars and cannot be trusted.  The list is literally endless on this.

Anytime any one disagrees with the official SPAR party line they get called a liar or devalidated.

Yup. Pretty much hit your nail right on the head, didn't he Dan?

[nvrenuf]

And for the record, I think Stephen hit this nail on the head in the (now locked) other thread, when he said that S'fielders seem to have this attitude that, unless you're SPAR-related or at least SPAR-approved, then you're not qualified to discuss anything. Ever.

This is the default argument that ties together all things springfield.

Either no one else has a right to an opinion except for the small bunch of SPAR members, or else they are liars and cannot be trusted.  The list is literally endless on this.

Actually as someone who is a Springfielder, that is one of the more asinine comments I've heard. There are far more than SPAR members or SPAR-related people that consider themselves Springfielders. Yet we all get lumped together by BS comments like that. Talk about brushing with a broad stroke.

[ChriswUfGator]

And for the record, I think Stephen hit this nail on the head in the (now locked) other thread, when he said that S'fielders seem to have this attitude that, unless you're SPAR-related or at least SPAR-approved, then you're not qualified to discuss anything. Ever.

This is the default argument that ties together all things springfield.

Either no one else has a right to an opinion except for the small bunch of SPAR members, or else they are liars and cannot be trusted.  The list is literally endless on this.

Actually as someone who is a Springfielder, that is one of the more asinine comments I've heard. There are far more than SPAR members or SPAR-related people that consider themselves Springfielders. Yet we all get lumped together by BS comments like that. Talk about brushing with a broad stroke.

My apologies, nvrenuf, that was indeed too broad a brush. My comments were not intended to refer to you.

I do recognize that there is a significant chunk of people who don't like SPAR and have nothing to do with them. I certainly did not intend to lump these folks into the same boat, as it's not a neighborhood attitude, just an attitude held by that smaller but very vocal group within the neighborhood. I did not mean to characterize the entire neighborhood in that fashion, and my comments were only intended for a certain subset. I should have used clearer language.

And yes, I do realize the irony, as I just made this same point in the "Do you really know your neighbors" thread...

[ChriswUfGator]

I gotta agree with you, Stephen.

The ones b!tching about all the personal attacks around here......are the same ones making the personal attacks.

I'm not sure when it became valid logic to go be rude and b!tchy to someone, then turn around and complain about too many personal attacks when the other person responds. It's like "Ha, if I accuse them of doing what I'm already doing, before they have a chance to point out that I'm already doing it, then I win!". Maturity level around here's really going down the crapper.

WTF? I guess we're back in 3rd grade all over again.