A Walk Down Herschel Street

[ricker]

a beach.. . a beeyooteeful beach. will be / would be  a  perfect kayak launch..  
Pennyburger still surfaces in conversation  _The whole place sinks how much each year? I read it somewhere..
Is this the continuum of the wetlands restoration project of which the Jean st parcel is also an included element/
Any ideas how the retention pond at (the now ghost of) Fishweir creek lane on the west side of Hamilton, at the base of the fake pine/sequoia clad antenna tower north of Park st.immediately south of the blanding flyover, may relate?

>any one have photos of the area when perimeter rd was?
An old friend of mine had " huts " moved from what became FJC/FCCJ/FSCJ Kent.
anyone know how the once proposed (circa 1950s?)) River Oaks Freeway system would have affected this specific area?
RAP did a video summation of their efforts but only briefly describe it.
if the interchange of 17 and 21 had been fully completed? partially evevated??
Before the construction of  Blanding took over the alignment and complete idea of Jersey Street? at St.Mathew's campus.  A neighboring family has lived in the same section of RiversideVillas, (today called Murray Hill) from when Tunis was 51st street!
immediately west of "Old Orange Park Rd" a/k/a  Park street today.

picture it all at grade. flat. not so wooded. heavily cleared. west of the pine grove. flat as open pasture.

the redesign of it all provided a small north-south scattering of small bands of wetland mitigation parcels scattererd and addressed in later years with the construction of series box culvert conversion to bury the water table and yielding the drainage problems of the areas today.
would be very interesting to cite the creation of the batch plant between Avent and Collins.
it took many years and tons of fill to build then later widen the Roosevelt Boulevard we have today.
and through Ortega.

old topographocal info spent my wheels turning

but near Yerkes west of 17. hidden now.
as related to me.
Imagine living in your country house with front verandah parallel to the rail, hundreds of feet away, through the woods a bit out of town with a "camp" safely near enough to not worry. Your hotel room, office, and life live IN town.
not my story.

before Cassat was fully built into the FAR OUTER loop AROUND town and still named Fuller St.
when the Quan family owned farms they flooded

before Blanding transitioned into Park Street, and was still named Saint Johns Avenue. 21.
there was a tale of two cities -  and Woodmere had Ortega in its backyard.

wasn't the chunk of the pig trail along the tracks that became 17 (along Fairfax today) originally named D'mere street north from SanJuan? when there was no ROAD along the tracks south from SanJuan.
before SR15 became Federally rebuilt for the war, and designated US17
when perimeter loop around FSCJ was just that.

before a SR211 was designated

before the site of the current buckman bridge was chosen.
since the Grand Avenue bridge was the way in town from any farm or plantation to the south - if you drove a horseless motor coach.

I guess perimeter loop was the perfect site for a future divisive interchange..?
it's no secret that fAIRFAX had another name once upon a time. White's?
only real next dilemma (some thought) was which way to go to cross the river _into Miramar(??)

through Boone Park over Richmond? Potentially yes, despite the well heeled fight?
but not over Mr.Crabtree's property and NOT through purpose-built Azalea!
Yes. Fairfax Mano®. well connected.

it was hoped by many and thought by some that the 'later' road deck to be built along the rail easement would sail over the tracks once north of Ortega and be named Hamilton Boulevard?. along the west of the tracks.?  
Think elevated road deck like Main Street through Sanmarco southbank?

Ive imagined if all northbound motorized traffic along the river's edge, from Green Cove into Jacksonville weren't pinched off at the relatively few crossings allowing access to the west, Avondale may have never experienced the overrun, or could've possibly been bypassed altogether.. ?

eversince, the Saint Johns River Crossing Corridor and related studies.. . the FCOB

I hear the reason there are cars in the creek bottom of Fishweir is because the north/east sloping marsh toward the creek was once a huge dump site like Gehenna before Fishweir school was even built before 1917!
what is now Park was once allowed to lay in waste seemingly indefinitely almost intentionally while many knew the "expressway was coming to save them"

I clearly have more questions than answers/

When I was a kid my dad dug a pool 11 feet into that mess and the amount of olD artifacts retreived seemedimpressive.
tiles, broken dishes, bronze, silver, brass, bits of "junk metal" scattered throughout.

back to thread - I will always think it ridiculous to have the majority of the parking across the street from the businesses. On Herschel south of  PS20.

I understand the Presbyterian Church shouldn't lose their on-street parking_ even if  they did finish a huge adjacent lot.

Is it because the Fire Station is on that side?

couldn't the lane shift be moved south of St.Johns westbound to somewhere between Shirley and Marquette? that bus stop is either screaming save me
(to some of you)
or knock me over. either way it could move further away from the preschool kids playing.

Why MUST the road’s centerline be as straight as a crow flies/  

btw-ANY and ALL thoughts regarding a posible rounda bout at Blanding/Park street?
is there really a NEED for a signals?

IF the outboard lane of Blanding north from Cassat became a right turn only lane through San Juan, in lieu of constructing  stacking turn lanes, and the road deck of the ParkSt flyover were adjusted to include a pedestrian/bicycle facility to FSCJ, considering the nature of the curves and the grade, traffic speed is already partially "controlled".

intermittently reducing a current thru lane dedicated to motorized traffic would be instrumental - and would yield a greener round.

ROUNDIES at Geraldine and Woodmere on Herschel.
Saint Johns and Blanding!

any pics any where from anyone?
My aunt has one of the old wooden bridge over "Big" Fishweir Creek.

there are so many trees, you cannot see the school from the present day Loop.

[Ernest Street]

Sorry Ricker but I'm having a history laugh on your thread..(At MJ this is not taken as a Hijack, but valuable history)
Anyway several years ago(2003-2008?) some Spoiled Brat from Ortega was forcibly ejected from the Eclipse Lounge.
He proceeded to come back several hours later and ram the front door of the structure with his vehicle.
maybe Stephan can find this incident in the Archives.

BTW this is not related to the 2007-2008 incident where these store owners had their plate glass windows permanently cracked from vandalism..

[ricker]

Hijack what? I'm no comedian=questions are rarely funny. .

I spent many years many years ago on Geraldine.
never knew then I would have so many questions about it all today.

^^^Stream of consciousness
sorta sorry

[ricker]

some random chain-of-title work coupled with a recent life estate donation of property subsequent to a conversation with a law man friend of mine specializing in entitlements, more from a retrospective view versus cherry picking - I digress...

I see that Herschel is qute the TOD.  but 100 years later, at a rare safe vibrant protected calm inland position along our river, taking full advantage of the Marina Mile should include accessibilty to the waterfront and river itself for green recreation on our waterways.

public access to our river is vital to my selection for who should steer this this oneday metropolis.

Any ideas WHY we shouldnt ensure ourselves a few more launch points by preserving, and creating public spaces along the waterfront?

In this immediate area, someone here believes that a slice of land between Espeto/Sylvan and the Commander is or may be public?

[north miami]

Any ideas WHY we shouldnt ensure ourselves a few more launch points by preserving, and creating public spaces along the waterfront?

In this immediate area, someone here believes that a slice of land between Espeto/Sylvan and the Commander is or may be public?

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Yes,or possibly.The subject emerged a couple of years ago,related to Fishweir Creek Restoration proposal and the thought then was if the creek was going to be restored then the publuic should have immediate access and the focus for a brief period was the slice between Espito and the Commander envisioned as public 'ramp.

By the way,on another potential uphill public access/visual scenery matter,consider this:
The owner of the Commander Apartments also owns the waterfront lots at the easterly mouth of Fishweir.Just a few feet outside of the RAP protective boundary-there exists the propspect of two new McMansions on the property-prepare for local waterway visual scenery plunder.
And what a dandy public access,yes? But there could be problems with neighborhood concerns etc.The Espito/Commander location ideal.Also an expanded Ortega bridge facility.