Police State Downtown.

[tufsu1]

true that, gator.  and considering downtown has the lowest crime rate of the entire city, the whole thing is just thuddingly stupid.

while I agree that downtown get a bad rap, it is hardly the safest (and lowest crime rate) area of the City

[Johnny]

10 pages and I'm still trying to figure out how much this costs. The equipment and install is free. How much for the monitoring?

If cost is being an argument against, I think the cost should be notated, otherwise, that argument is void.

As for the request for privacy in PUBLIC, that's just foolish, next argument and I hope the argument comes from someone that doesn't wear a tin foil hat.

[Johnny]

Of course, I am still not for or against it at the moment. As I've already mentioned, the only fact I know is...

People have been caught for their crimes by reviewing video tape of the crime and identifying the criminal.

[Shwaz]

However did retail stores prevent / catch shoplifters?

If you're worried about a lovers quarrel in public it's because of being surrounded by other people… not some donut muncher behind 32 TV monitors.

The only people who have a problem with this is government conspiracy theorist and criminals.

[BridgeTroll]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1138845/Food-writers-online-guide-building-H-bomb--evidence-man-Guantanamo.html

It appears you believe this persons version of this tale.  Somehow you would have to believe that he was arrested and held solely because the CIA felt he might make an H-bomb by twirling uranium in a bucket around his head.  Tell me you actually believe this story Stephen...  I'm not sure why he didn't say the CIA accused him of UFO collaboration or time machine construction...

But... I still would rather spend the money police walking a beat downtown...

[Johnny]

Catching criminals isnt worth the entire society losing its right to privacy.

Privacy in public?

[BridgeTroll]

But its a great subject for another thread.

I agree...

[Johnny]

Btw.  What is your full legal name, date of birth, address and phone number?

If you arent willing to post that online and be verified, then please dont participate in this kind of hypocrisy.

So, that's your argument?

[Johnny]

well im neither a conspiracy theorist or a natural born criminal.  Quick, hide the tin foil hat

But i do have the right to not be video taped by a third party on streets that I own and pay for without my permission.   Really, you own a street? What's it called? Assuming you pay taxes then you contribute to the building of those streets, you don't own it and are entitled to no privacy on those streets. Speaking of permission, have you ever given the government permission to steal your hard earned wages and call it a tax? That is what you should be mad about.

[Shwaz]

Schwaz, the full name, date of birth, phone number and address goes for you to

You're comparing apples to bowling balls. My actions /words / screen name are just as public on this forum as my actions and picture being video taped on a public street. They’re not requiring us to display our phone# and full name in plain sight when visiting downtown.

However if you were to do something illegal they would pursue that information with visual evidence taken by said camera's. Or maybe they'll even catch you in the act if all goes as planned.

Speaking of homeless downtown... I went for walk at lunch down to the Landing and back. Right out in front of the Omni an old homless guy said to me "HEY MAN I WANNA ASK YOU A QUESTION... WHAT ARE YOU GONNA SPEND THAT STIMULUS CHECK ON". I literally shot apple juice through my nose. I wish that was on tape so I could watch it over and over again.

[Johnny]

Thanks Stephen, I appreciate the lesson and your ego driven attempt to speak down to me about public streets, unfortunately you are incorrect (surprise, surprise)...

The federal government owns roads serving national forests, parks and dams. State governments own most of the highways between cities and towns and the Interstate highways. Cities and counties own the local roads. Private roads are a different story, so I'm quite sure the road you believe you own must be private, it must also say Stephen Dare somewhere on it and it probably has your birth date, phone & address listed.  

[Johnny]

https://www.crab.wa.gov/wsace/Documents/AOKArticles/Article18-04WhoOwnsRoads.pdf

This is an actual government website with that information. A little more accurate then wikipedia, maybe you can update wikipedia. You could reference it with the wikipedia link you updated or you can simply put "ask Stephen Dare, he knows all, even when he doesn't"

[BridgeTroll]

Stephen... a CCTV camera does not require that you wear a nametag containing your personal info...

[Johnny]

First, your wikipedia article says nothing of the sort, the government article I provided clearly stated it is owned by the government or land owner, not the public tax payer. Debating with you is like speaking to a child with their fingers in their ears saying "lanalalana i can't hear you"...

Also, I've never once stated that I agree nor disagree with the cameras, I need some facts to determine that. You on the other hand continue to argue with opinions or the lame-ass last name, ph# and address line.

The camera's would help to identify criminals caught on tape (FACT). Your lame remark about finding out my information can be found as well. If I started telling of some kind of criminal act and the FBI wanted to find out who I am, the information can be had. If a camera catches you stabbing your neighbor for standing on that magical street owned by Stephen Dare then they still have to figure out who your face belongs to.

I'll begin again...

Privacy in public?

[Shwaz]

If you own the streets of downtown, when you move can you sell your portion and recoup your portion paid + appreciated value? Maybe i could just sell my portion of SanJose Blvd. - that's prime realstate and I never use it and I would promise never to again if I can just get my money back.

Stephen... a CCTV camera does not require that you wear a nametag containing your personal info...

That's what I said.