Russian Analyst Claims Breakup of the US is likely.

[downtownparks]

May be all be blessed by his noodley appendage.

[ProjectMaximus]

This country will stay together if for only the sake of college football

Can you imagine if the BCS was in the hands of the Chinese? A weapon like that used carelessly would destroy the world!!

[downtownparks]

This forum is a prime example of why American can survive in places other nations might not. We have left and right, black and white, gay and straight, religious and atheist. We even have an angry Bosnian, and we all manage (for the most part) to get along, ast least, nothing more vicious than your run of the mill family gathering, anyway.

[RiversideGator]

I would imagine that Florida would be joining the new Southern nation under this scenario as we would be cut off otherwise and many people still have Southern affinities.  I cannot imagine that Mexico would in any way control the South though.  They cant even control their own country.

[RiversideGator]

Let us bow our heads in prayer to the flying spaghetti monster so that he may protect us.

hahaha.  The atheists are so clever.   

[heights unknown]

They could control it if they were backed by a stronger power such as Russia or China, who are strong but not yet all powerful, but if this is a future scenario, those two powers could be much stronger at that time and back and support Mexico in taking over the southern part of the U.S.  What we are discussing is unthinkable but possible.

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[heights unknown]

Am I allowed to print a poem, in this thread, that I myself wrote to Atheists regarding the possibility of God's existence?  It is not provocative or disrespectful, but MIGHT make everyone think.

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[heights unknown]

I still believe that even if we did break up, and foreign powers (such as Russia and China) tried to take over, we would fight to the teeth to prevent anyone else from running whatever is left; yes we would be fractured, but it would sort of be a friendly fracture....i.e., you run yours and we will run ours, but no one else will run what's left!

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[David]

hahaha.  The atheists are so clever.   

Nah, just a lil devil's advocate action there. Even from the religious point of view, there's a lot of countries that think God is on their side, so.....he's gotta pick one you know? Or not intervene at all.

How about this: If you're the first person to post a comment on here after their official time of death, it is  now your sworn duty to find out which country is the higher power's favorite and get back to us. Make sure you post it under the breaking news section.

[BridgeTroll]

Perhaps we should have troops on the border...

http://www.elpasotimes.com/newupdated/ci_11444354

U.S. military report warns 'sudden collapse' of Mexico is possible
By Diana Washington Valdez / El Paso Times
Posted: 01/13/2009 03:49:34 PM MST

EL PASO - Mexico is one of two countries that "bear consideration for a rapid and sudden collapse," according to a report by the U.S. Joint Forces Command on worldwide security threats.

The command's "Joint Operating Environment (JOE 2008)" report, which contains projections of global threats and potential next wars, puts Pakistan on the same level as Mexico. "In terms of worse-case scenarios for the Joint Force and indeed the world, two large and important states bear consideration for a rapid and sudden collapse: Pakistan and Mexico.

"The Mexican possibility may seem less likely, but the government, its politicians, police and judicial infrastructure are all under sustained assault and press by criminal gangs and drug cartels. How that internal conflict turns out over the next several years will have a major impact on the stability of the Mexican state. Any descent by Mexico into chaos would demand an American response based on the serious implications for homeland security alone."

The U.S. Joint Forces Command, based in Norfolk, Va., is one of the Defense Departments combat commands that includes members of the different military service branches, active and reserves, as well as civilian and contract employees. One of its key roles is to help transform the U.S. military's capabilities.

In the foreword, Marine Gen. J.N. Mattis, the USJFC commander, said "Predictions about the future are always risky ... Regardless, if we do not try to forecast the future, there is no doubt that we will be caught off guard as we strive to protect this experiment in democracy that we call America."

The report is one in a series focusing on Mexico's internal security problems, mostly stemming from drug violence and drug corruption. In recent weeks, the Department of Homeland Security and former U.S. drug czar Barry McCaffrey issued similar alerts about Mexico.

Despite such reports, El Pasoan Veronica Callaghan, a border business leader, said she keeps running into people in the region who "are in denial about what is happening in Mexico."

Last week, Mexican President Felipe Calderon instructed his embassy and consular officials to promote a positive image of Mexico.

The U.S. military report, which also analyzed economic situations in other countries, also noted that China has increased its influence in places where oil fields are present.

[JeffreyS]

That makes you nervous the US would be so well served if Mexico were prosperous.

[BridgeTroll]

The violence on our border is getting worse.  Non corrupt Mexican authorities have little or no control of their side of the border.

[winthropf]

Some how I missed this post when it originally came out...
But the break up of the States remind me of the Phillip K Dick novel, Man in the High Castle.
In that book it was a break up of the nation after WWII (lost by the Allies), with the Western States, Central States, and Eastern States.  The Western States controlled by Japan and the Eastern States controlled by Germany...  the Central States left to a no man's land type Wild West...

Anyway, the point is, while anything is possible.  This Russian Analyst should just go ahead and write a Sci-Fi novel....  After all is he proposing this is going to happen soon?

I'll agree the dissolution of the United States is not totally unthinkable (after all we can look to history to see the collapse of the HRE and the British Empire) but the way people have spread out over our country and retained their ties to there home area, I think the dissolution would be harder to imagine, at least in the near future.  Think about the amount of Jacksonvillians who live in NYC and LA (heck even Portland at this point) and maintain there strong connections to their friends and family in Jacksonville (the Internet is making this easier everyday with Myspace/Facebook/Twitter).  I guess you could say the same is true within European even with the separate countries but in reality they are moving in the opposite direction of what this guy is proposing for the US...  through the EU they are kind of combining.

Also, his theory of the grouping seems absurd, although you can't really argue against the idea that other countries already have an "influence" over parts of those sections.  

[Doctor_K]

Anyway, the point is, while anything is possible.  This Russian Analyst should just go ahead and write a Sci-Fi novel....  After all is he proposing this is going to happen soon?

Harry Turtledove and his Southern Victory/Timeline-191 series of trilogies and tetralogies come readily to mind.  Great and prolific alternate history writer. 

Although I'm wary to rule anything out, his stuff's more believable than this.  Particularly the bits about different (seemingly randomly selected) geographical parts of the country being under various countries' influences.  I don't see Canada mandating anything in the upper Midwest.  I don't see Mexico in control of itself, let alone the entire Southern US.

[CMG22]

"The Mexican possibility may seem less likely, but the government, its politicians, police and judicial infrastructure are all under sustained assault and press by criminal gangs and drug cartels. How that internal conflict turns out over the next several years will have a major impact on the stability of the Mexican state. Any descent by Mexico into chaos would demand an American response based on the serious implications for homeland security alone."

So how about we just legalize drugs here?  Then their biggest customer base is eliminated.  Then, we commute every drug conviction to time served.  Thereby we remove billions in penitentiary funding, and only imprison real criminals who harm other people.  We also tax the hell out of drugs, and bring to an end our “war on drugs.”  Savings from prisons and the cessation of our "war on drugs" plus additional cash flow aids in economic recovery to the tune of tens of billions of dollars.  No more (piss poor depiction of) USA breaking up, and no fears of Mexico doing the same in the immediate future.