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why is gas so cheap?

Started by hillary supporter, November 19, 2008, 07:20:01 PM

gatorback

#30
Ed is kind of cocky, not unlike Al so they both have a lot in common.  Ed is an amazing actor I have to give him that.  He has made a lot of movies and I've enjoyed getting my gas guzzlers and going to see him.  To be blunt, Ed is the problem.  He gets people to drive cars to see his movies.  If ed really cared he wouldnt work in that industry.  Think about it is all i'm saying. If you are a baptist you wouldn't work for Adolf Coors would you?
'As a sinner I am truly conscious of having often offended my Creator and I beg him to forgive me, but as a Queen and Sovereign, I am aware of no fault or offence for which I have to render account to anyone here below.'   Mary, queen of Scots to her jailer, Sir Amyas Paulet; October 1586

MattnJax

Quote from: alta on November 21, 2008, 03:50:53 PM
Why would being the ex vice president justify an electric bill 10x the national average??? He installed solar panels after all the scrutiny he received about his high electric bills which now makes it efficient.  Look it up online.  Misleading comment?  Please tell me how it is misleading.  I'm not a repug.  I ride my bike to work, recycle, drive a small car.  Al Gore shouldn't be the poster child for the enviromental movement.  Ed Begley is a good example of someone who lives what he preaches.     

Dude, do you not read? I basically said because he and his wife work from home, and he's not the average american. You're going by the national average for a 'typical' home. Key word there is typical. You say that he only tried to make his house green after scruntiny but you don't know that. Fact is is that Gore has one of the greenest houses in America and he pays out the ass for it:

".... Furthermore, the Gores buy energy produced from renewable sources, such as wind and solar. MSNBC confirmed with the local utility officials that their program, called the Green Power Switch, actually costs more for the Gores -- four dollars for every 150 kilowatt hours. Meaning, by our calculations, our math here, that the Gores actually chose to increase their electric bill by $5,893, more than 50 percent, in order to minimize carbon pollution." A few months later, the Associated Press reported on December 13, 2007 that Gore "has completed a host of improvements to make the home more energy efficient, and a building-industry group has praised the house as one of the nation's most environmentally friendly [...] 'Short of tearing it down and starting anew, I don't know how it could have been rated any higher,' said Kim Shinn of the non-profit U.S. Green Building Council, which gave the house its second-highest rating for sustainable design."

Source: Wikipedia


But yeah you would have us all believe that the man doesn't care about going green. But truth is is the man has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to make improvements to his house. Sounds pretty dedicated to me.

alta

#32
Actually I do read.  Go figure.  That is how I know that he didn't choose to go green until December of last year.  After the press made him look foolish and hypocritical  He has been an evironmentalist his entire life but just chose to go green last December.  He had the means to have his entire house solar twenty years ago.  Even if he doesn't have the typical house or lifestyle.   

gatorback

#33
my electic bill is around 30 a month. Nobody is giving me kudos. I don't own a car, I ride the bike  or walk or take the bus. Why should we give ed all the kudos? I try to get my friends to mass it.
'As a sinner I am truly conscious of having often offended my Creator and I beg him to forgive me, but as a Queen and Sovereign, I am aware of no fault or offence for which I have to render account to anyone here below.'   Mary, queen of Scots to her jailer, Sir Amyas Paulet; October 1586

RiversideGator

Quote from: MattnJax on November 21, 2008, 04:10:11 PM
Quote from: alta on November 21, 2008, 03:50:53 PM
Why would being the ex vice president justify an electric bill 10x the national average??? He installed solar panels after all the scrutiny he received about his high electric bills which now makes it efficient.  Look it up online.  Misleading comment?  Please tell me how it is misleading.  I'm not a repug.  I ride my bike to work, recycle, drive a small car.  Al Gore shouldn't be the poster child for the enviromental movement.  Ed Begley is a good example of someone who lives what he preaches.     

Dude, do you not read? I basically said because he and his wife work from home, and he's not the average american. You're going by the national average for a 'typical' home. Key word there is typical. You say that he only tried to make his house green after scruntiny but you don't know that. Fact is is that Gore has one of the greenest houses in America and he pays out the ass for it:

".... Furthermore, the Gores buy energy produced from renewable sources, such as wind and solar. MSNBC confirmed with the local utility officials that their program, called the Green Power Switch, actually costs more for the Gores -- four dollars for every 150 kilowatt hours. Meaning, by our calculations, our math here, that the Gores actually chose to increase their electric bill by $5,893, more than 50 percent, in order to minimize carbon pollution." A few months later, the Associated Press reported on December 13, 2007 that Gore "has completed a host of improvements to make the home more energy efficient, and a building-industry group has praised the house as one of the nation's most environmentally friendly [...] 'Short of tearing it down and starting anew, I don't know how it could have been rated any higher,' said Kim Shinn of the non-profit U.S. Green Building Council, which gave the house its second-highest rating for sustainable design."

Source: Wikipedia


But yeah you would have us all believe that the man doesn't care about going green. But truth is is the man has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to make improvements to his house. Sounds pretty dedicated to me.

So how do you explain Gore's many many plane flights, especially those on private jets?  And his frequent use of limousines?  And the fact that he uses natural gas to heat his pool?  And the fact that he lives in a home four times larger than the average US home?  And the fact that he has started a company that trades in carbon offsets thereby making himself millions of dollars off the hysteria he himself helped to foment?

The answer:  Gore is a hypocrite and a liar who has ridden this enviro-hysteria to fame and fortune on the backs of credulous libs around the world.  Wake up.

gatorback

He also invented The Internet which keeps everybody at home saving more gas then that limo and pool use.
'As a sinner I am truly conscious of having often offended my Creator and I beg him to forgive me, but as a Queen and Sovereign, I am aware of no fault or offence for which I have to render account to anyone here below.'   Mary, queen of Scots to her jailer, Sir Amyas Paulet; October 1586

alta

lmao  Please tell me you aren't serious.  The internet was developed by the military for communication between troops.   

gatorback

#37
lmao...But according to the man himself, he invented it during his service in the congress. 

Transcript: Vice President Gore on
CNN's 'Late Edition'
March 9, 1999

CNN'S WOLF BLITZER: I want to get to some of the substance of domestic and international issues in a minute, but let's just wrap up a little bit of the politics right now.

Why should Democrats, looking at the Democratic nomination process, support you instead of Bill Bradley, a friend of yours, a former colleague in the Senate? What do you have to bring to this that he doesn't necessarily bring to this process?

AL GORE: Well, I'll be offering my vision when my campaign begins. And it will be comprehensive and sweeping. And I hope that it will be compelling enough to draw people toward it. I feel that it will be.

But it will emerge from my dialogue with the American people. I've traveled to every part of this country during the last six years. During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.
'As a sinner I am truly conscious of having often offended my Creator and I beg him to forgive me, but as a Queen and Sovereign, I am aware of no fault or offence for which I have to render account to anyone here below.'   Mary, queen of Scots to her jailer, Sir Amyas Paulet; October 1586


alta

A 1946 comic science-fiction story, A Logic Named Joe, by Murray Leinster laid out the Internet and many of its strengths and weaknesses. However, it took more than a decade before reality began to catch up with this vision.

The USSR's launch of Sputnik spurred the United States to create the Advanced Research Projects Agency, known as ARPA, in February 1958 to regain a technological lead.

Did you read past the first sentence????????

gatorback

Al Gore said he did is all I am saying.
'As a sinner I am truly conscious of having often offended my Creator and I beg him to forgive me, but as a Queen and Sovereign, I am aware of no fault or offence for which I have to render account to anyone here below.'   Mary, queen of Scots to her jailer, Sir Amyas Paulet; October 1586

civil42806

Quote from: gatorback on November 21, 2008, 05:26:50 PM
my electic bill is around 30 a month. Nobody is giving me kudos. I don't own a car, I ride the bike  or walk or take the bus. Why should we give ed all the kudos? I try to get my friends to mass it.

We all love your for it Gatorback!!

MattnJax

Quote from: alta on November 22, 2008, 10:29:59 AM
lmao  Please tell me you aren't serious.  The internet was developed by the military for communication between troops.   

Alta, as Gatorback shown, all he said was that he took the initiative in Congress when he was a congressman for 17 years before become vice-president. Here's an exerpt from wikipedia about Gore's view on technology while in congress:

"Gore was one of the Atari Democrats who were given this name due to their "passion for technological issues, from biomedical research and genetic engineering to the environmental impact of the "greenhouse effect." On March 19, 1979 he became the first member of Congress to appear on C-SPAN. During this time, Gore co-chaired the Congressional Clearinghouse on the Future, along with Newt Gingrich. In addition, he has been described as having been a "genuine nerd, with a geek reputation running back to his days as a futurist Atari Democrat in the House. Before computers were comprehensible, let alone sexy, the poker-faced Gore struggled to explain artificial intelligence and fiber-optic networks to sleepy colleagues."Internet pioneers Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn have also noted that, "as far back as the 1970s, Congressman Gore promoted the idea of high speed telecommunications as an engine for both economic growth and the improvement of our educational system. He was the first elected official to grasp the potential of computer communications to have a broader impact than just improving the conduct of science and scholarship [...] the Internet, as we know it today, was not deployed until 1983. When the Internet was still in the early stages of its deployment, Congressman Gore provided intellectual leadership by helping create the vision of the potential benefits of high speed computing and communication. As an example, he sponsored hearings on how advanced technologies might be put to use in areas like coordinating the response of government agencies to natural disasters and other crises."


Gore also sat on United States House Committee on Science and Technology and chaired it for 4 years. Where I'm sure he led the push to develop the internet into what it would ultimately become. Of course the right-wingers took what he said and twisted his words to make it look like he said he invented the internet. When in fact he never said that.

If right-wingers and repugs would/could just learn to read, instead of following along like sheep, they could understand these things. But of course Republicans love to lie and tell half-truths. Just look at this last election for president. Full of lies and scare tactics to make Obama look like the Antichrist. Epic fail on their part.

MattnJax

Quote from: alta on November 21, 2008, 05:17:35 PM
Actually I do read.  Go figure.  That is how I know that he didn't choose to go green until December of last year.  After the press made him look foolish and hypocritical  He has been an evironmentalist his entire life but just chose to go green last December.  He had the means to have his entire house solar twenty years ago.  Even if he doesn't have the typical house or lifestyle.   


So who wrote this book/article that you are referencing? Rush Limbaugh? Sean Hannity? Fact is he didn't even buy his current house in Nashville til 2002. Maybe he didn't start renovating til later for whatever reason. I'm not Al Gore. I don't know the man's schedule. Maybe he didn't have the hundreds of thousands of dollars to renovate the house til after he made some money. I don't know the man's bank account. But I guess repugs do. Just find it funny that right-wingers trash a guy that wants to make our world a cleaner, better place. But I should expect that, repugs voted in Bush, twice! lmao

gatorback

#44
Quote from: civil42806 on November 22, 2008, 12:18:16 PM
Quote from: gatorback on November 21, 2008, 05:26:50 PM
my electic bill is around 30 a month. Nobody is giving me kudos. I don't own a car, I ride the bike  or walk or take the bus. Why should we give ed all the kudos? I try to get my friends to mass it.

We all love your for it Gatorback!!

Thanks man but I'm just doing my part.  I am  currently learning as much as I can about The Pickens Plan. http://www.pickensplan.com   What do you guys think of his plan?  I don't know enough yet to have any comment other then it looks like a plan.  And I'm not trying to recuit you either; however, I always wanted to be in an army. Lol
'As a sinner I am truly conscious of having often offended my Creator and I beg him to forgive me, but as a Queen and Sovereign, I am aware of no fault or offence for which I have to render account to anyone here below.'   Mary, queen of Scots to her jailer, Sir Amyas Paulet; October 1586