Jags vs Titans

thelakelander · November 17, 2008, 03:14:42 PM

Yeah, but Jax lost to an 0-8 team. Its the NFL, everybody can be beaten on any given Sunday.

MattnJax · November 17, 2008, 05:10:12 PM

Quote from: ProjectMaximus on November 17, 2008, 12:00:57 PM
Quote from: MattnJax on November 16, 2008, 09:37:13 PM
But when we invest our whole draft in two underperforming DEs it's a big let-down. Especially when we sell the farm to move up in the draft to select one of them. And for what? I think one sack between the two of them all season. A lot of rookie defensive ends have great rookie years, so I'm not cutting them any slack because they are rookies. It would be different if they were QBs, but DE is one of the easiest for a rookie. Heck I believe Javon Kearse had about 14 sacks his rookie year.

Copper said exactly what I was gonna say in response to this. You exaggerate when you say "a lot" have great rookie seasons. Kearse was an exception, there are exceptions at every position. You know Jevon Kearse hasn't really had a season close to the numbers he put up his rookie year? In sacks or tackles. His rookie season was his best statistically, and none since have really even been that close.

Not saying that these guys won't prove to ultimately be disappointments, but I don't think it's fair to call them that until this time next year.

I'm sorry but I'm just not going to baby these guys. They are clearly underperforming, rookies or not. They rarely ever sniff the QB. We gave away practically our whole draft to get Harvery and used our 2nd pick on Groves because we desperately needed a pass rush. Which as seen yesterday, when we put no pressure on Collins, we still lack and desperately need. All year long we have given every QB all day to throw the ball. And as we've seen with Shaq Harris, his personal decisions have been lackluster. With Mojo and Rashean being the notable standouts.

Shwaz · November 17, 2008, 05:35:15 PM

QuoteWe gave away practically our whole draft to get Harvery and used our 2nd pick on Groves because we desperately needed a pass rush.

They did it to solidify the DE line over next grip of years... not just this year. These players take time to develop PERIOD... almost all rookies do. Everyone was calling Matt Jones head for the last 3 years and now he's the leading receiver on the team and playing great. I'm hoping Harvey & Groves don't take as long but it's better than a bust.

Doesn't anyone watch college on Saturday and NFL on Sunday and see the difference in size & speed?

MattnJax · November 17, 2008, 05:47:37 PM

Quote from: Shwaz on November 17, 2008, 05:35:15 PM
QuoteWe gave away practically our whole draft to get Harvery and used our 2nd pick on Groves because we desperately needed a pass rush.

They did it to solidify the DE line over next grip of years... not just this year. These players take time to develop PERIOD... almost all rookies do. Everyone was calling Matt Jones head for the last 3 years and now he's the leading receiver on the team and playing great. I'm hoping Harvey & Groves don't take as long but it's better than a bust.

Doesn't anyone watch college on Saturday and NFL on Sunday and see the difference in size & speed?

Dude I have no problem with rookies taking a year or two to develop but these two have shown me nothing and it's very disappointing, rookies or not. Atleast show me something. People say Mario Williams had a bad rookie year, but he did 4.5 sacks and showed promise. Not really seeing any promise out of these guys. I hope I'm wrong and these two turn out to be all-pros, but knowing Shaq Harris's history of drafting I'm not so sure.

I-10east · November 17, 2008, 06:31:16 PM

Quote from: Shwaz on November 17, 2008, 01:34:29 PM
You missed the point.. the game plan was short passes and they averaged 3.9 yards per play.
I included the whole quote because you're all about the lateral running which Vic pretty much explains is retarded.

Hey, since when was Vic K. God??__That is only his OPINION; Let's get that clear. You said that the game plan was short passes??

__Ummmmm, no it wasn't; Garrard was dropping back for med passes, and he didn't have the time. My question to you is; If our plan was for a short passing game, then why no short and QUICK passes were completed, like a quick out for example??

QuoteJax of course... you can take that wild cat, spread offense crap right back to the college level. It's hokey & lame.

___I said that I'll laugh. If MIA coaches had Jax's team to work with, we would have lost NO MORE than FOUR games IMO thru ten games in the season. That "hokey" MIA offense is gonna get MIA to the playoffs probably; As for JAX's "great" offense..........Adios, pack your bags, no playoffs; You do the math. Mind you, I love the Jags, and can give a crap about the Dolphins, but I just tell it like it is.

I-10east · November 17, 2008, 06:41:18 PM

Quote from: copperfiend on November 17, 2008, 01:54:55 PM
Didn't Miami need a last second field goal to beat Oakland at home?

Yeah, but they find ways to WIN GAMES. Jax find ways to LOSE GAMES; Simple as that. You only further reassured as to why I think that MIA's coaching staff is MUCH BETTER than JAX's.

Shwaz · November 17, 2008, 06:54:23 PM

QuoteGarrard was dropping back for med passes, and he didn't have the time.

3.9 average is a medium pass huh? Seriously dude it's just math.

QuoteYeah, but they find ways to WIN GAMES. Jax find ways to LOSE GAMES

You're right... but that's not the coaches it's the players. Did JDR blow the coverage on Gauge on those 3 deep balls? Nope.. the safety's bit on the pump fake. Blame them.

I-10east · November 17, 2008, 07:08:14 PM

^^^Forget stats; you were up in 141 in the nosebleeds; If you get a chance look at the game on TV maybe from Tivo; Garrard ATTEMPTED (coaches called it) medium passes, but unfortunately he COULDN'T get' em off, thanks to TEN's constant pressure up the middle. No M. Jones of course didn't help in that cause.

Pete Prisco(he is not God either

) today said that he don't think that D. Koetter is allowed to showcase his entire offense, as they seem to be others like Mike Tice, and the other guy that I can't think of now influencing the offense; In other words, too many chefs' hands in the saucepan. Koetter is known for a wide spread em' out offense; This O don't show that in ANY WAY.

Yeah, you mentioned the defense biting on pump fakes, but how come we only scored fourteen points, wit' that sucky ass offensive play calling? The MOST OVERRATED clique; Execution; You CAN'T execute what's not there, like running when there's nine, or ten in the box. The play calling sucks; simple as that.

BTW Shwaz, my "friend", I'm "glad" that you make it home safe after the game, since you didn't use your selt belt in your Toyota and all.

(non-gay wink)__

ProjectMaximus · November 17, 2008, 07:14:56 PM

Quote from: MattnJax on November 17, 2008, 05:47:37 PM
Dude I have no problem with rookies taking a year or two to develop but these two have shown me nothing and it's very disappointing, rookies or not. Atleast show me something. People say Mario Williams had a bad rookie year, but he did 4.5 sacks and showed promise. Not really seeing any promise out of these guys. I hope I'm wrong and these two turn out to be all-pros, but knowing Shaq Harris's history of drafting I'm not so sure.

I agree with everything you said except the part I italicized. I just don't see how you can make a judgment on a player's successful transition to the pro-level so soon. Even if I give you that they haven't done much thus far, in the overall scheme of their development this is just the first quarter. Do you say a player had a disappointing game just because they play poorly in the first quarter? I think it's just too early for rookie evaluations. We can say that they could be doing much better, and of course we all wish they were, but that doesn't mean that they're disappointing just cause they're not. And after reviewing Mario Williams' rookie year situational statistics vs. Groves and Harvey, I'm pretty sure Williams got a lot more playing time than our rookies have.

I guess we'll just agree to disagree...it is a matter of personal expectations, anyhow. I will say, this could be time for Shack to go...

Keith-N-Jax · November 18, 2008, 04:21:04 AM

This is a bad year to be a Jaguar player(maybe not they still get paid) or fan. I still plan to attend the home games. IMO defensive line is in need of repair, guys have aged and are several steps slower. All opposing QB have torched the secondary in one way or another. Even the rusty QB out of retirement was able to throw a strike down the field for a big gain. Doesnt matter how good your cb's or safties are given the time the Jags have allowed opposing QB's to stand back there and scan the field some one will eventually get open.

With a banged up O-line and a grandpa D-line we are lucky they have won 4 games. I dont mind the run first style pass when you have to, but with style you can not afford to fall behind. Been a long time when the Jags have been able to erase a 10 point defecit and win. It will be interesting to see how the Jags finish the season and what JDR does next yr.

So much for believe in now.

I-10east · November 20, 2008, 02:52:13 PM

It seems like my previous prediction of a 5-11 or 6-10 Jags season is coming true. I kinda hope that we tank all of the rest of our games, so that we could get in position for a good draft pick next year; What do ya think??

Shwaz · November 20, 2008, 03:09:41 PM

QuoteI kinda hope that we tank all of the rest of our games, so that we could get in position for a good draft pick next year; What do ya think??

I don't think (even if the Jags get a top 10 pick) they would select a player and instead trade for multiple picks.

After the D Harvey contract debacle I agree it's not worth the money.

We do better later in the first round and 2nd, 3rd round anyways.

hanjin1 · November 20, 2008, 03:11:16 PM

I hope this doesn't start the Tim Tebow to Jags discussion again.

rjp2008 · November 20, 2008, 05:50:14 PM

From what I have seen this year, besides the obvious offensive line injuries, their biggest problem is not having anyone of note to throw to. Matt Jones is a QB trying to play WR, Porter never surfaced and others remain lackluster.

If you're a running team (which they are), defenses will load up and dare you to beat them in the air. If you can't make those plays, you're toast. Tennessee - primarily a running team - is continuing to win because Collisn can make plays to his big WRs when defenses cheat up.

Jax has a quality running game. It has a defense. It doesn't have a passing game and that's what holds it back. More depth on the OL next year will also be key.

I-10east · November 21, 2008, 12:38:06 PM

Quote from: hanjin1 on November 20, 2008, 03:11:16 PM
I hope this doesn't start the Tim Tebow to Jags discussion again.

I agree, but you know how them Gator yahoos can get; Gator fans act as if everything revolves around them.

My Mick Hubert(Gators football announcer) impression..............

Oh My!!!Oh My!!!!!Oh My!!!!Tebow, Tebow, Tebow, Tebow, (moan) Tebow(gasp) OH MY!!!!!__Tim Tebow delievers!!!!!!Oh MY!!!!!__(moan)__Tebow is clearly Superman with the "S" on his chest!!!!__OH MY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!