Chase TrailView

Started by acme54321, March 26, 2025, 10:15:26 PM

acme54321

This one is apparently on the edge of the downtown overlay and requires DDRB review.  It's a pretty random site, and I'm honestly surprised they can even build on it because it was a marsh that was filled in with construction debris and trash in the 50s.  On the edges of the surrounding "tidal creeks" aka ditches you can see old tires and other junk sticking out of the banks.

I also don't really like how they end this new part of Reed Ave with a Cul de sac vs connecting it to the adjacent street grid. Or at least connect it on the pedestrian level.  Yes I know those other streets flood a lot.

https://residentnews.net/chase-properties-trailview-townhomes-fuel-capital-improvement-fund-for-humane-society/


Steve

For anyone else that couldn't figure out where this is, it's here:

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.3139901,-81.6475198,366m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDMyNC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Looks like they'd extend Reed Ave ALMOST to Alamo Street. I tend to agree that not connecting the street grid is weird in the urban area.

Captain Zissou

This looks like the Atlantic Blvd Toll Brothers project taken to the nth degree. 50+ townhomes and surface parking built to the lot lines on environmentally sensitive land. The trash is along the marsh at what looks like the minimum upland buffer.  For resiliency purposes, I imagine the elevation of Reed street at the southeastern end will be well above Alamo, which is why it doesn't connect.  I agree that connecting and continuing the street grid would be preferable in the urban core.

Jrz Jax

Quote from: Captain Zissou on March 27, 2025, 04:37:48 PM
I imagine the elevation of Reed street at the southeastern end will be well above Alamo, which is why it doesn't connect.  I agree that connecting and continuing the street grid would be preferable in the urban core.

If you look at the two disconnected ends of Reed Ave on Street View, there is clear evidence of a right-of-way that was likely never finished (or was ripped up).

https://maps.app.goo.gl/tGqNrr2kRzJvrxbD7

Also appears that Vine St was intended to connect to Reed St, but now it just functions as free business parking on the dead end.

Charles Hunter

Looking at the COJ Property Map, it looks like there is a right-of-way connecting the two parts of Reed Street. At the west end, WJXT and JEA border the ROW, and the west end has Chad Development and JEA on the north and an FDOT retention pond on the south. Using the measurement tool on the GIS Property Map, the ROW is about 60 feet wide, where Reed Street exists on the east and west, and in the middle where there is no road.

urban_

Quote from: Steve on March 27, 2025, 08:19:48 AM
Looks like they'd extend Reed Ave ALMOST to Alamo Street. I tend to agree that not connecting the street grid is weird in the urban area.
Quote from: Jrz Jax on March 28, 2025, 12:26:09 PM
If you look at the two disconnected ends of Reed Ave on Street View, there is clear evidence of a right-of-way that was likely never finished (or was ripped up).

https://maps.app.goo.gl/tGqNrr2kRzJvrxbD7
The streetview makes me think that if they don't connect it, people will still use it to walk between those areas. It'll just be less accessible and harder to walk on when wet.

Joey Mackey

Updated renderings: https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/news/2025/aug/14/design-of-4-acre-southbank-residential-project-receives-conceptual-approval-from-ddrb/

I'm very curious how they plan to combat the flooding in that area. If the plan is to just raise that entire parcel "x" amount of feet, I imagine the surrounding properties will flood even more.

urban_

Regarding the connection to the street grid: one of the latest pics actually has some lines, suggesting that it could connect? They also have two parked cars at the end of the street, so not sure. From the Daily Record link posted above.
https://postimg.cc/TLjgfTqX
Forgive me, I post images so infrequently that I forget how to correctly do it every time. Hoping there will be a search function someday so I could find the helpful post that helped me last time!

Charles Hunter

The DDRB is also concerned about flooding, from the article
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DDRB staff recommended conceptual approval with six conditions, including that the developer work with staff and the city Office of Resiliency to address considerations for flooding resiliency on the site.

Maybe they should consider going to a four-story design, with the first floor being sacrificial. That won't solve the problem of cars getting flooded, though.

acme54321

Quote from: urban_ on August 18, 2025, 12:49:59 PM
Regarding the connection to the street grid: one of the latest pics actually has some lines, suggesting that it could connect? They also have two parked cars at the end of the street, so not sure. From the Daily Record link posted above.
https://postimg.cc/TLjgfTqX
Forgive me, I post images so infrequently that I forget how to correctly do it every time. Hoping there will be a search function someday so I could find the helpful post that helped me last time!

Those are just property lines.

As far as flooding, this situation is already built on fill a couple feet higher than the adjacent streets so I don't know how big of an issue that will be if they put the buildings up on pads.  I'm sure the developer has done geotech in their due diligence but I'd be a lot more concerned with the amount of trash that is in that fill.  The banks of the creeks around it are solid trash sticking out.