Taco Bells, Burger Kings, and Chick-fil-As of the future. Elevated kitchens.

[jaxlongtimer]

Hey Jax, we do have these here in America and have had them for a while. They are only (95% of them) in NYC & Chicago. They are designed that way of course for ease when walking in at the street level. Most major Asian & European cities have these two stories McDonalds due to the tight spacing of these areas, walkability, and revenue.

In most US urban settings, the primary mode of transportation is still car transit. As unfortunate as that is to say... What will happen in the "future" is Chick Fil A sites in Atlanta, Tampa, Los Angeles, Miami... (higher priced markets) will start to build 2-story to meet the drive-thru demand to capture that revenue. Simply put, most fast food places do most of their revenue from the drive-thru. There will be some sites in which it makes sense to elevate on. I don't think it will be common, but time may change that.

To realestatejax's point, there's going to be some pushback with code in many locations, but some premier spots will fit the bill I'm sure.

Megabox, understand.  As you can tell from the pix I posted, this one isn't in an area as urbanized as NYC or Chicago.  It actually is in a reasonably open area as I recall and it also has a drive through.  Not sure the value of the real estate so that may have contributed to this design.  My main point was having the eating area, not the kitchen, on the second floor given the prior discussion on this thread.

[thelakelander]

They are around, just not in Jacksonville. Our land values aren't at a level that would make this type of fast food design financially feasible. That's why you don't see it here.

[Jax_Developer]

Hey Jax, we do have these here in America and have had them for a while. They are only (95% of them) in NYC & Chicago. They are designed that way of course for ease when walking in at the street level. Most major Asian & European cities have these two stories McDonalds due to the tight spacing of these areas, walkability, and revenue.

In most US urban settings, the primary mode of transportation is still car transit. As unfortunate as that is to say... What will happen in the "future" is Chick Fil A sites in Atlanta, Tampa, Los Angeles, Miami... (higher priced markets) will start to build 2-story to meet the drive-thru demand to capture that revenue. Simply put, most fast food places do most of their revenue from the drive-thru. There will be some sites in which it makes sense to elevate on. I don't think it will be common, but time may change that.

To realestatejax's point, there's going to be some pushback with code in many locations, but some premier spots will fit the bill I'm sure.

Megabox, understand.  As you can tell from the pix I posted, this one isn't in an area as urbanized as NYC or Chicago.  It actually is in a reasonably open area as I recall and it also has a drive through.  Not sure the value of the real estate so that may have contributed to this design.  My main point was having the eating area, not the kitchen, on the second floor given the prior discussion on this thread.

I have no clue about this one, but the one's I went to in Europe were all near train stations. Possibly the case here too? I do agree with you in that they are built in different environments, I would argue they still serve the same purpose being in foot pedestrian heavy areas. (Given the high % of urbanization in Europe & SE Asia).

They are around, just not in Jacksonville. Our land values aren't at a level that would make this type of fast food design financially feasible. That's why you don't see it here.

Yeah won't be seen here for a while. We have no shortage of 1-2 acre commercial parcels with good access... LOL. Hence the Car Wash BOOM!

[thelakelander]

Isn't the McDonalds off Sand Lake Road in Orlando two stories?

[thelakelander]

Btw, passed this Chick-Fil-A drive thru that was incorporated into a downtown Mobile parking garage yesterday:



Incorporating drive thrus into parking garages to fit suburban places like this into urban areas makes sense.

[Jax_Developer]

Isn't the McDonalds off Sand Lake Road in Orlando two stories?

Looks to be.. but that's a perfect example of a suitable site for one. Like one block from Universals Studios right off I-4. They exist already, but the vast majority are in NYC & Chicago within tight areas. I'm sure there are some in Miami already. There was one in Daytona at one point in time, but that has since been demolished.

The parking garage idea is actually genius for garage retail. Never seen that before, integrated I mean.

[jaxlongtimer]

Hey Jax, we do have these here in America and have had them for a while. They are only (95% of them) in NYC & Chicago. They are designed that way of course for ease when walking in at the street level. Most major Asian & European cities have these two stories McDonalds due to the tight spacing of these areas, walkability, and revenue.

In most US urban settings, the primary mode of transportation is still car transit. As unfortunate as that is to say... What will happen in the "future" is Chick Fil A sites in Atlanta, Tampa, Los Angeles, Miami... (higher priced markets) will start to build 2-story to meet the drive-thru demand to capture that revenue. Simply put, most fast food places do most of their revenue from the drive-thru. There will be some sites in which it makes sense to elevate on. I don't think it will be common, but time may change that.

To realestatejax's point, there's going to be some pushback with code in many locations, but some premier spots will fit the bill I'm sure.

Megabox, understand.  As you can tell from the pix I posted, this one isn't in an area as urbanized as NYC or Chicago.  It actually is in a reasonably open area as I recall and it also has a drive through.  Not sure the value of the real estate so that may have contributed to this design.  My main point was having the eating area, not the kitchen, on the second floor given the prior discussion on this thread.

I have no clue about this one, but the one's I went to in Europe were all near train stations. Possibly the case here too? I do agree with you in that they are built in different environments, I would argue they still serve the same purpose being in foot pedestrian heavy areas. (Given the high % of urbanization in Europe & SE Asia).

No trains near the one I shared, it's on an island off the Korean coast  ,

[thelakelander]

Orlando's is next to an I-4 interchange. But that suburban market, with the amount of tourist it gets, makes it feasible.