COVID Again Rampant in Jax

[MusicMan]

Good to know DeSantis has evolved into a Pro Choice Governor.

[jaxoNOLE]

Things could get interesting fast now that the FDA has given full approval to the Pfizer vaccine. Speculation is everywhere that this will open the door to many private employers requiring employees (and potentially customers) to be vaccinated. Will DeSantis continue to fight the "vaccine passport" battle as more and more national/multinational employers with a presence in Florida jump on the vaccine mandate bandwagon? Does the political calculus work in his favor when he starts picking fights with major employers?

[Lunican]

The Navy will require it now so that should force quite a few Jacksonville residents to get it.

[Lunican]

Duval County school board officially adopted a mask mandate tonight. Exceptions require medical documentation.

[Snaketoz]

Duval County school board officially adopted a mask mandate tonight. Exceptions require medical documentation.

Hooray!

[Steve]

Morning report:  509 adults hospitalized, 121 in ICU, that's just Baptist Hospital system. Not counting kids...

Those were yesterday's numbers. Kid numbers yesterday were 16/4 ICU.

For today:
Adults: 503 Admitted/111 ICU/52 Yesterday
Children: 9 Admitted/5 ICU/1 Yesterday

Of note that's a drop but in most categories, but 1 day isn't yet statistically significant.

Hospital numbers at Baptist further dropping for adults:

Adults: 472 Admitted/112 ICU/42 Admitted Yesterday
Children: 19 Admitted/5 ICU/5 Yesterday

Of note the children's side has been holding steadily. Today is an increase from 8/20, but over the last week it's been basically flat.

There are some positive signs, but all the more reason it was good of DCPS to do the mask requirement.

[MusicMan]

Anyone have the count from the facility they set up at the main library?

[Lunican]

Anti virals are good, but they should not be promoted as an alternative to vaccination. They will not end the pandemic.

[Snaketoz]

For generations we have treated viruses with anti viral drugs.     We should stop acting as though vaccinations is the only way to end this virus.

Is this what you had in mind?


Regeneron Clinic at the Jacksonville Main Library (now closed to library patrons).

  How broken is your brain to think that somehow such a thing proves anything other than when people are sick, they want to lay down?

Again, developing and using anti virals is absolutely needed for dealing with any virus.  CV19 is no different.     It's all the more important because the so-called vaccinations do not work well.  Vaccinated people are getting CV19 infections and will need treatments, including antivirals,  to restore their health.

I don't understand how you can say, "vaccinations do not work well".  What do you know of that is preferable?  Even getting a breakthrough virus after vaccination has shown it to help prevent hospitalizations and ventilators.

[jaxoNOLE]

The data are overwhelming in their consensus that the vaccines are highly effective. They are as near to perfect as humanly possible at preventing death, highly effective at preventing hospitalization, and even against Delta are at least moderately effective at preventing symptomatic infection.

The only legitimate point of debate is how long they remain effective, but studies are emerging to clear up that issue as well.

To offer some perspective, the COVID vaccines are far more effective at preventing death from COVID-19 than seatbelts are at preventing death in car crashes. If the efficacy of the vaccine does not impress you, you may want to reconsider the point of buckling up when you go out and drive. If your concern is the safety of the vaccine, then statistically, you probably shouldn't drive at all--it's far more dangerous.

[Tacachale]

The data are overwhelming in their consensus that the vaccines are highly effective. They are as near to perfect as humanly possible at preventing death, highly effective at preventing hospitalization, and even against Delta are at least moderately effective at preventing symptomatic infection.

The only legitimate point of debate is how long they remain effective, but studies are emerging to clear up that issue as well.

To offer some perspective, the COVID vaccines are far more effective at preventing death from COVID-19 than seatbelts are at preventing death in car crashes. If the efficacy of the vaccine does not impress you, you may want to reconsider the point of buckling up when you go out and drive. If your concern is the safety of the vaccine, then statistically, you probably shouldn't drive at all--it's far more dangerous.

This. I've removed a post from above containing (more) COVID misinformation. As I said before, this ain't the place.

[Snaketoz]

Thank you Tacachale.

[bl8jaxnative]

The data are overwhelming in their consensus that the vaccines are highly effective. They are as near to perfect as humanly possible at preventing death, highly effective at preventing hospitalization, and even against Delta are at least moderately effective at preventing symptomatic infection.

The only legitimate point of debate is how long they remain effective, but studies are emerging to clear up that issue as well.

To offer some perspective, the COVID vaccines are far more effective at preventing death from COVID-19 than seatbelts are at preventing death in car crashes. If the efficacy of the vaccine does not impress you, you may want to reconsider the point of buckling up when you go out and drive. If your concern is the safety of the vaccine, then statistically, you probably shouldn't drive at all--it's far more dangerous.

This. I've removed a post from above containing (more) COVID misinformation. As I said before, this ain't the place.

What's happening in Israel is what is going to happen here this fall and winter.  Buckle up, you ain't going to like the ride.

[BridgeTroll]

The data are overwhelming in their consensus that the vaccines are highly effective. They are as near to perfect as humanly possible at preventing death, highly effective at preventing hospitalization, and even against Delta are at least moderately effective at preventing symptomatic infection.

The only legitimate point of debate is how long they remain effective, but studies are emerging to clear up that issue as well.

To offer some perspective, the COVID vaccines are far more effective at preventing death from COVID-19 than seatbelts are at preventing death in car crashes. If the efficacy of the vaccine does not impress you, you may want to reconsider the point of buckling up when you go out and drive. If your concern is the safety of the vaccine, then statistically, you probably shouldn't drive at all--it's far more dangerous.

This. I've removed a post from above containing (more) COVID misinformation. As I said before, this ain't the place.

What's happening in Israel is what is going to happen here this fall and winter.  Buckle up, you ain't going to like the ride.

Get vaccinated, wear a mask, social distance.

[tufsu1]

The data are overwhelming in their consensus that the vaccines are highly effective. They are as near to perfect as humanly possible at preventing death, highly effective at preventing hospitalization, and even against Delta are at least moderately effective at preventing symptomatic infection.

The only legitimate point of debate is how long they remain effective, but studies are emerging to clear up that issue as well.

To offer some perspective, the COVID vaccines are far more effective at preventing death from COVID-19 than seatbelts are at preventing death in car crashes. If the efficacy of the vaccine does not impress you, you may want to reconsider the point of buckling up when you go out and drive. If your concern is the safety of the vaccine, then statistically, you probably shouldn't drive at all--it's far more dangerous.

This. I've removed a post from above containing (more) COVID misinformation. As I said before, this ain't the place.

What's happening in Israel is what is going to happen here this fall and winter.  Buckle up, you ain't going to like the ride.

that's a simplistic and not entirely correct view. I've been tracking Israel's situation for the better part of a year (my planned July 2020 trip to the Holy Land has now been rescheduled 3 times with a 4th reschedule still to come). Israel had issues with vaccine effectiveness waning, but they also have 15% of their adult population unvaccinated - and an overall population composition that is over 20% children under 12 (not eligible for vaccines).

Right now Israel has about 10,000 cases / day, which would be equivalent to the US having 400,000 cases. BUT that's with much more testing than we do, and a positivity rate that has yet to go above 7% (compare that with Florida's recent high of about 20%). Furthermore, they have about 700 patients in serious conditions at hospitals - that's much lower per 100k population that what we have in FL right now (with hospitalizations trending down). Also worth noting that serious cases among the vaccinated are declining (in part because of the boosters) while still going up for those unvaccinated.

Bottom line - the vaccines work - get the shot(s)!