Jaguars already planning Phase II for Lot J development

[Wacca Pilatka]

^ I'm repeating myself because I know this has come up in NFL threads before, but I lived in Austin for three years, and Austin and San Antonio have long-established Cowboys loyalties (they're a Texans TV market too, but the Texans barely made a dent in the established Cowboys base from what I can discern).  I think the Cowboys are too entrenched there for there to be an appetite for another NFL team. 

Of course San Antonio has made a run at the NFL before, more than once, but the Alamodome is now outdated in the stadium arms race, and San Antonio probably isn't a wealthy enough market to support another pro team.  It supports the Spurs extremely well, of course.  Not that the 1980s are dispositive of anything now, but San Antonio showed virtually no interest in its USFL team.

The combined Austin-San Antonio market is more than wealthy enough to support the NFL, but I don't think the UT stadium is NFL-caliber (and it's too big for what most any market can support), I don't think a herd of Austin football fans would make the drive to San Antonio to support an NFL team in the Alamodome, and I don't think building a new stadium, or extensively renovating the SW Texas State stadium in San Marcos, halfway between the two is ever going to happen.

This is all in addition to what Steve rightly noted.

[Wacca Pilatka]

In speaking of Providence and Milwaukee, Jax any minute will pass those two metros, and place behind Virginia Beach (or maybe passing VA Beach and be right behind Nashville in around four or so years)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_statistical_areas

Despite continued growth, I'd imagine Jax stalls out in the upper 30s in MSA size.  It will pass Providence and Milwaukee soon, and Hampton Roads eventually, and maybe some others like Cleveland and Pittsburgh long distance eventually, but Raleigh may surpass Jacksonville in the meantime.  Nashville is growing at least at the same rate as Jacksonville, so I don't think we surpass Nashville.

[Kerry]

MSAs have almost become meaningless.  Jax includes Palatka nearly 50 miles away.  50 miles from downtown Milwaukee puts you in the northern suburbs of Chicago.

It is only 130 miles from Pittsburgh to Cleveland - with 3 pretty good size MSAs in between: Youngstown, Canton, and Akron. Imagine Tampa to Orlando with 2 more Lakelands thrown in.

[BossmanOdum10]

MSAs have almost become meaningless.  Jax includes Palatka nearly 50 miles away.  50 miles from downtown Milwaukee puts you in the northern suburbs of Chicago.

It is only 130 miles from Pittsburgh to Cleveland - with 3 pretty good size MSAs in between: Youngstown, Canton, and Akron. Imagine Tampa to Orlando with 2 more Lakelands thrown in.

Jacksonville MSA only includes Baker,Duval, St. Johns, Clay and Nassau....Maybe you're thinking about the CSA Combined Statistical Area, that does include Putnam County. MSA and CSA are different. IJS

[thelakelander]

It is only 130 miles from Pittsburgh to Cleveland - with 3 pretty good size MSAs in between: Youngstown, Canton, and Akron. Imagine Tampa to Orlando with 2 more Lakelands thrown in.

Let's hope not. That would be a catastrophic loss for Central Florida. Alone Tampa and Orlando MSAs have nearly 1.5 million more residents than Pittsburgh and Cleveland combined....and they're roughly 80 miles apart. You can damn near cover Central Florida coast to coast in 140 miles or so. Plus the Lakeland, Daytona, Brevard, Sarasota MSAs inbetween or next to Tampa and Orlando are significantly larger than the Youngstown, Akrons and Canton sized MSAs of Ohio now.

[Kerry]

Well, my point really was that comparing the MSAs of relatively isolated cities like Jacksonville, OKC, Salt Lake City, Indy, etc... to cities like Tampa, Miami, San Jose, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh really isn't a good comparison.  Cities in that second group are really part of megaopolis' that span hundred of miles and the size of their MSAs is limited by adjacent MSAs.

[thelakelander]

The best apples to apples data to use is urban area. Unfortunately, those numbers are updated every ten years with the census.

[Kerry]

So it has been 6 weeks since Curry and the Jags announced they have reached a deal on the now $700 million Lot J plan, and 3 weeks since the Jags announced a 2nd home game in London.  Has the details (or any info) regarding Lot J been made public and I just missed it?

[vicupstate]

So it has been 6 weeks since Curry and the Jags announced they have reached a deal on the now $700 million Lot J plan, and 3 weeks since the Jags announced a 2nd home game in London.  Has the details (or any info) regarding Lot J been made public and I just missed it?

Nah, you haven't missed it, it is just on Jacksonville time.

[Kerry]

So it has been 6 weeks since Curry and the Jags announced they have reached a deal on the now $700 million Lot J plan, and 3 weeks since the Jags announced a 2nd home game in London.  Has the details (or any info) regarding Lot J been made public and I just missed it?

Nah, you haven't missed it, it is just on Jacksonville time.

Is this a Jacksonville Time clock?

[Ken_FSU]

So it has been 6 weeks since Curry and the Jags announced they have reached a deal on the now $700 million Lot J plan

We're actually coming up on 7 months.

[thelakelander]

Probably was counting on that JEA sale money. It may take a few months flipping over couch cushions to find spare change and rebuilding trust for the big ticket items.

[heights unknown]

So it has been 6 weeks since Curry and the Jags announced they have reached a deal on the now $700 million Lot J plan, and 3 weeks since the Jags announced a 2nd home game in London.  Has the details (or any info) regarding Lot J been made public and I just missed it?

Nah, you haven't missed it, it is just on Jacksonville time.

Is this a Jacksonville Time clock?

LOLOLOLOL....3 months means 3 years Jacksonville time. LOL

[heights unknown]

Probably was counting on that JEA sale money. It may take a few months flipping over couch cushions to find spare change and rebuilding trust for the big ticket items.

Again, LOLOLOLOL..."flipping over couch cushions." Sometimes you just can't find that spare change that you need.

[Captain Zissou]

I was talking with someone from the Army Corps of Engineers and they said whenever they would do work on this project, the city would communicate with them and request communication from them via physical letters, not email.  Once the city came to get plans in an unmarked van, rather than have them be emailed.....  Maybe Lenny is less of a bond villain and more of a mob boss.