DeSantis still no position on Healthcare with 3 weeks to go.

[marcuscnelson]

I wonder how many people watched that debate performance by DeSantis last night and still feel comfortable in voting for him?

I am trying to remember a more awkward, unsure person running for major office.

I was blown away by DeSantis last night. I don't understand how someone so blatantly and utterly unqualified could stand on a stage and make it so obvious that they just didn't know what to do other than insult his opponent and completely avoid the questions.

[JeffreyS]

DeSantis really just didn't give his position on anything. He didn't refuse he would just give a response like well this person or group likes me, Gillum is bad or in some other way deflect. That said he was good at the technique it usually didn't appear awkward. They were both good at debating and likely didn't lose any points from their support.

[avonjax]

One guy who position on health care isn't clear vs another guy saying freebies for everybody with socialism! The latter candidate scares the shit of me 100 percent more; socialism in Florida! If he wins, get ready to be the Cali of the East Coast government-wise....Get ready to have astronomical taxes, an open borders state, and becoming a state income tax state....

That was a stupid comment. How surprising from you. Where is Stephen D when we need him.

[avonjax]

Don't bother trying to explain socialism anything that is labeled by the right as a give away is socialism..so one more time for the dense:

"a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."

Ooh, such a sugarcoated leftist definition....Where did you get that, from leftist academia? Socialism is utopian nonsense. There's a difference from PUBLIC SERVICES to a full blown socialist government...Alot of Latin America runs on socialism (ie Venezuela, Nicaragua etc) How is it working out for them, or any other country in the world?  This is my definition...

Socialism has its roots in visions of imaginary ideal societies, from thinkers who drew up elaborated designs and concepts for creating what they considered a more equal society, along collectivist lines or abolished private property; the primarily ideas came from British and French thinkers like Saint-Simon, Charles Fourier, Louis Blanc, and Robert Owen preceded by Thomas More, Tommaso Campanella, and Jean Meslier.

One of the atheist Karl Marx's titles is the father of socialism. Currently it is considered a leftist economic system which advocates state ownership or direct control of the major means of production and distribution of goods and services.

Socialism is the economic system imposed by Communism, but another one of the most well known political parties of the 20th century that was socialistic was the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nazi Party), headed by the fascist, but anti-communist Adolf Hitler. Often socialism is a matter of degree and numerous economies in the world are very socialistic such as European countries (many of which are facing financial difficulties due to over taxation and excessive spending).

Then I say abolish public schools, fire departments, police departments, the public library, military, ss, medicare and anything paid with our tax dollar and what the hell just become a 3rd world country and let everyone old die if they are old or infirmed. And then all your right wingers can just pave your own damn roads, put out your fires, shoot anyone you assume is an intruder or about to rape, rob or look at you the wrong way and have fun with whatever is left. trump is the perfect president for you. He doesn't give a s*&t about any of us any way.

[I-10east]

^^^LOL, suffering from TDS? Public services are necessary for a civil society; please stop muddying the waters between public services and socialism. If 45 don't care about any of us, than 44 really despised ALL Americans. One prez tries to maintain a country with borders, and the other one mastered 'catch and release'. 44 divided everyone in the country with wedge issues; Black vs White, middle class vs poor, Christianity vs Islam, civilians vs the police etc etc etc.

Trump maybe dividing Americans from illegal aliens (rightfully so, going by the books) while Obama was dividing all Americans period!!! Blacks and whites were like fucking kumbaya under George Bush, George freaking Bush (who I hate)!! Then 44 got in there, and it was like the 1960's all over again! Riots, poor race relations, BLM, Antifa, police villainization, criminal infantilization, all under our great former prez BHO. 

[Adam White]

^^^LOL, suffering from TDS? Public services are necessary for a civil society; please stop muddying the waters between public services and socialism. If 45 don't care about any of us, than 44 really despised ALL Americans. One prez tries to maintain a country with borders, and the other one mastered 'catch and release'. 44 divided everyone in the country with wedge issues; Black vs White, middle class vs poor, Christianity vs Islam, civilians vs the police etc etc etc.

Trump maybe dividing Americans from illegal aliens (rightfully so, going by the books) while Obama was dividing all Americans period!!! Blacks and whites were like fucking kumbaya under George Bush, George freaking Bush (who I hate)!! Then 44 got in there, and it was like the 1960's all over again! Riots, poor race relations, BLM, Antifa, police villainization, criminal infantilization, all under our great former prez BHO.

I'm no Obama fan, but it's worth noting that he stepped up deportations - he was called the 'Deporter in Chief' by immigrants' rights groups and other critics.

Feel free to hate on Obama for whatever reasons, but don't make stuff up out of whole cloth.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/08/trump-deportations-behind-obama-levels-241420

[I-10east]

^^^I'm not denying Obama's deportation record, but he maintained the catch and release system. IMO the difference between Obama's and Trump's presidency concerning on what they dealt/are dealing with illegal immigration; Obama had to deal with mainly human traffickers, and Trump has to deal with the human traffickers and globalist NGOs like the Soros foundations, who I think are organizing caravans, like the one that's coming from Central America.

The hardline left and their globalist aspirations have gotten more radical under Trump too. When Obama actually did his job and deported aliens, it was overlooked for the very Obama friendly MSM; when Trump does it, the media says 'muh rayciss orange man!!".     

[Snufflee]

^^^I'm not denying Obama's deportation record, but he maintained the catch and release system. IMO the difference between Obama's and Trump's presidency concerning on what they dealt/are dealing with illegal immigration; Obama had to deal with mainly human traffickers, and Trump has to deal with the human traffickers and globalist NGOs like the Soros foundations, who I think are organizing caravans, like the one that's coming from Central America.

The hardline left and their globalist aspirations have gotten more radical under Trump too. When Obama actually did his job and deported aliens, it was overlooked for the very Obama friendly MSM; when Trump does it, the media says 'muh rayciss orange man!!".   

I think the tin foil hat has finally ruined cognizant thought.,

[I-10east]

^^^Okay, concerning the caravan, many of them are being trucked and paid. Do your research. That tiresome "Muh right wing conspiracy" main steam media BS doesn't hold any weight. Explain the money being passed out?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KspFTWt7SZ0

[JeffreyS]

^^^Okay, concerning the caravan, many of them are being trucked and paid. Do your research. That tiresome "Muh right wing conspiracy" main steam media BS doesn't hold any weight. Explain the money being passed out?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KspFTWt7SZ0

It's food vouchers being passed out at a relief point. Dude seriously... they are being organized but it is by violence and despair in their home land pushing them as a group.  These are people just trying to work their way into a better life or hell just being able to literally live life.  Stop vilifying them it's immoral and ridiculous.

[I-10east]

^^^The only thing that I'm 'vilifying' are these NGOs pushing illegal immigration upon the US. How do you think boats filled with migrants crossing the Mediterranean into Italy (and now other places) are done? Some fucking grassroots effort on behalf of the migrants? NO, billion dollar globalist NGOs financing boats equipment etc; lets not be naive here...

Do you know EVERY individual of the thousands and thousands of aliens within that caravan? Yeah, that's what I thought....Do you even care, or illegal aliens should have more consideration over US citizens? I'm not gonna be passive and have no concerns with a bunch of people pouring into our country and I don't know where they came from, and what they are about.

That being said, I'm all for migrants coming into port of entry and seeking asylum, but this group is seeming an invasion. Do you know that most of the group within the caravan are fighting age men, not women and children? Do you know that there are some criminal element (and maybe even terrorist) within the caravan? This is Honduras we are talking about, one of the most volatile countries in the world!

So I'm not trying to hear that "all of those people are innocent, and just want a better place to live" NPC BS; tell that to an overly sympathetic brainwashed liberal. It's amazing that twenty years ago, everyone had some sort of sense concerning illegal immigration.

[Adam White]

^^^The only thing that I'm 'vilifying' are these NGOs pushing illegal immigration upon the US. How do you think boats filled with migrants crossing the Mediterranean into Italy (and now other places) are done? Some fucking grassroots effort on behalf of the migrants? NO, billion dollar globalist NGOs financing boats equipment etc; lets not be naive here...

Do you know EVERY individual of the thousands and thousands of aliens within that caravan? Yeah, that's what I thought....Do you even care, or illegal aliens should have more consideration over US citizens? I'm not gonna be passive and have no concerns with a bunch of people pouring into our country and I don't know where they came from, and what they are about.

That being said, I'm all for migrants coming into port of entry and seeking asylum, but this group is seeming an invasion. Do you know that most of the group within the caravan are fighting age men, not women and children? Do you know that there are some criminal element (and maybe even terrorist) within the caravan? This is Honduras we are talking about, one of the most volatile countries in the world!

So I'm not trying to hear that "all of those people are innocent, and just want a better place to live" NPC BS; tell that to an overly sympathetic brainwashed liberal. It's amazing that twenty years ago, everyone had some sort of sense concerning illegal immigration.

You do realise that the people crossing the Med are being transported by people traffickers, not NGOs, right? The NGOs are there to help them so they don't die at sea (and to help them when they arrive in Malta, Italy, etc).

I don't know what it is about you, I-10. "Muh conspiracy theory, lamestream media, muh George Soros socialism..."

[Adam White]

A row raging over the migrant caravan travelling towards the United States is being fuelled by misinformation and false statements online.

Thousands of migrants have got as far as Mexico, after the caravan which set out from Honduras has travelled north and grown in size.

The caravan's progress towards the US southern border has become the subject of intense speculation and discussion on social media.

A number of false or misleading assertions are among those to be shared widely.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-45951102

[DrQue]

Gosh, those NGOs have been at this for over a hundred years! The globalists were definitely funneling the poor Irish and Italians into the our homeland. I mean, why else would these people leave their native land? It has to be a leftist plot!

The reality is the migrant issues Europe and America are nothing new. People are simply trying to escape wretched conditions and build a better life for their families. We all would likely do the same if born into similar conditions.

[I-10east]

^^^Look at these shipping routes guys. If you all are waiting for the liberal MSM to reveal this, hell will have frozen over. It's not what the liberal MSM says, it's what they DO NOT say... Muh it's not MSNBC so these other rayciss sites are nazis...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbIc1LZqIAw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWp_SDJh3pM&t=628s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnifiUMPHGM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feGXIK--OdM