Curry, Khan, and Hart Bridge

Started by jaxrox, October 25, 2017, 02:06:08 PM

acme54321

Quote from: Dapperdan on October 31, 2017, 04:02:03 PM
There was and still is a poor neighborhood surrounding the stadium area.  Fairfield was at one time a dense urban neighborhood. Yes industry took over but there was still a lot of  houses too.

That the ramps still didn't cut off from anything.  Give it up.

thelakelander

Yeah, the ramps have no specific direct connection with race or the neighborhood of Fairfield, which is north of the Hart Bridge Expressway. Prior to the Jags coming to town, even Gator Bowl Boulevard had not been constructed. On the other hand, Fairfield was negatively impacted by the Mathews Bridge and Haines Street Expressway. However, the expansion of the sports complex is essentially what destroyed most of Fairfield and East Jacksonville.
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vicupstate

QuoteI would expect the City's cleanup costs to be probably in the $40-50 million dollar range and Right Of Way and public access costs in the $150-170 million dollar range, with the State probably paying another $100 million.

The remediation cost is legit, but the city already owns the land, why is the $250-270 mm needed?   

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Dapperdan

Quote from: acme54321 on October 31, 2017, 09:57:32 PM
Quote from: Dapperdan on October 31, 2017, 04:02:03 PM
There was and still is a poor neighborhood surrounding the stadium area.  Fairfield was at one time a dense urban neighborhood. Yes industry took over but there was still a lot of  houses too.

That the ramps still didn't cut off from anything.  Give it up.

Nope.

thelakelander

Just wondering, how exactly do you believe the Hart Bridge ramps into DT Jax negatively impacted East Jax and Fairfield? What commercial corridors did it take traffic from or outright replace? What residential areas did it take out? By elevating it, it appears that solution preserved existing industries south of the Gator Bowl. Outside of elevating it, the only other options in the 60s would have been to do a highway at ground level. Using the same alignment, that would have resulted in the loss of thousands of maritime industry related jobs. Shifting the alignment north would have forced a highway into residential neighborhoods and the stadium.
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MusicMan

New restaurant in Riverside:

Curry, Khan and Heart

Tacachale

It's sounding like the Duval Delegation may not be taking this up in the Florida House. The Mayor is now at odds with the leading Repub, Jay Fant, who was supposed to carry the proposal in Tally. But Mayor Curry, evidently upset at remarks Fant made saying that he should have axed the HRO, is now supporting another candidate for Speaker of the House and it seems unlikely that Fant, and therefore the Duval Delegation, will move it through.

http://floridapolitics.com/archives/248887-quiet-october-lenny-curry-political-committee
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Steve

Quote from: Tacachale on November 06, 2017, 04:46:08 PM
It's sounding like the Duval Delegation may not be taking this up in the Florida House. The Mayor is now at odds with the leading Repub, Jay Fant, who was supposed to carry the proposal in Tally. But Mayor Curry, evidently upset at remarks Fant made saying that he should have axed the HRO, is now supporting another candidate for Speaker of the House and it seems unlikely that Fant, and therefore the Duval Delegation, will move it through.

http://floridapolitics.com/archives/248887-quiet-october-lenny-curry-political-committee

If this is true, then this is disappointing but not shocking. The HRO likely would have passed even if Curry actually vetoed it. While I want the Hart bridge ramps down, if they have to stay up because Curry didn't actively veto the HRO, then I'll get over looking at the ramps.

FlaBoy

Quote from: Tacachale on November 06, 2017, 04:46:08 PM
It's sounding like the Duval Delegation may not be taking this up in the Florida House. The Mayor is now at odds with the leading Repub, Jay Fant, who was supposed to carry the proposal in Tally. But Mayor Curry, evidently upset at remarks Fant made saying that he should have axed the HRO, is now supporting another candidate for Speaker of the House and it seems unlikely that Fant, and therefore the Duval Delegation, will move it through.

http://floridapolitics.com/archives/248887-quiet-october-lenny-curry-political-committee

He is supporting another AG candidate. This is what Paul Renner was made speaker designate to handle so I doubt they would be going through Fant anyway.

Tacachale

Quote from: FlaBoy on November 07, 2017, 12:13:48 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on November 06, 2017, 04:46:08 PM
It's sounding like the Duval Delegation may not be taking this up in the Florida House. The Mayor is now at odds with the leading Repub, Jay Fant, who was supposed to carry the proposal in Tally. But Mayor Curry, evidently upset at remarks Fant made saying that he should have axed the HRO, is now supporting another candidate for Speaker of the House and it seems unlikely that Fant, and therefore the Duval Delegation, will move it through.

http://floridapolitics.com/archives/248887-quiet-october-lenny-curry-political-committee

He is supporting another AG candidate. This is what Paul Renner was made speaker designate to handle so I doubt they would be going through Fant anyway.

Sorry, yes, AG.
Do you believe that when the blue jay or another bird sings and the body is trembling, that is a signal that people are coming or something important is about to happen?

ben says

Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on November 08, 2017, 07:59:14 AM
Quote from: Tacachale on November 06, 2017, 04:46:08 PM
It's sounding like the Duval Delegation may not be taking this up in the Florida House. The Mayor is now at odds with the leading Repub, Jay Fant, who was supposed to carry the proposal in Tally. But Mayor Curry, evidently upset at remarks Fant made saying that he should have axed the HRO, is now supporting another candidate for Speaker of the House and it seems unlikely that Fant, and therefore the Duval Delegation, will move it through.

http://floridapolitics.com/archives/248887-quiet-october-lenny-curry-political-committee

God, Jay Fant is the worst.  A fail son of the highest order living in an enormous riverfront mansion because he and his wife inherited their daddy's money, trying to tell the rest of the City how they should live their lives.  Fuck that guy forever.

If by ´worst´, you mean the second coming of the devil himself, I agree.
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