JAX/JIA updates

[itsfantastic1]

What's interesting is you mentioned United lacking a Southeast presence/strategy.

I wonder if JAX could make its longer term expansion plans part of trying to lure a United hub status. We're one of the few moderately size airport left in the SE without hub status, we'd be a short haul from major airports like Miami, Orlando, Atlanta, Charlotte and their other hub in Houston. Plus Oscar Munoz CEO was a CSX guy...

It'd be interesting to see if United tries to compete in the SE with other airlines hubs or goes a different route of making a smaller SE airport "theirs."

Ultimately I don't think our numbers support it currently, but it'd be interesting none the less.

[ProjectMaximus]

Also interesting from the article:

According to VanLoh, the JAA also plans to:

• Make its first launch from Jacksonville's Cecil Spaceport in April.
...
VanLoh said he's also developing strategies to provide direct flights to the West Coast.

But, to persuade an airline to bring new nonstop service to JIA, the aviation authority must show it can provide 100 passengers a day every day of the year, he said.

"It's a big investment for an airline," VanLoh said. "Many times, it takes several years."

[JaxAvondale]

Also interesting from the article:

According to VanLoh, the JAA also plans to:

• Make its first launch from Jacksonville's Cecil Spaceport in April.
...
VanLoh said he's also developing strategies to provide direct flights to the West Coast.

But, to persuade an airline to bring new nonstop service to JIA, the aviation authority must show it can provide 100 passengers a day every day of the year, he said.

"It's a big investment for an airline," VanLoh said. "Many times, it takes several years."

Come on, LAX!

[Snaketoz]

Also interesting from the article:

According to VanLoh, the JAA also plans to:

• Make its first launch from Jacksonville's Cecil Spaceport in April.
...
VanLoh said he's also developing strategies to provide direct flights to the West Coast.

But, to persuade an airline to bring new nonstop service to JIA, the aviation authority must show it can provide 100 passengers a day every day of the year, he said.

"It's a big investment for an airline," VanLoh said. "Many times, it takes several years."

Come on, LAX!

At least PHX!

[ProjectMaximus]

Would PHX count as west coast?? We already have nonstops to LAS which is farther west anyway.

[Snaketoz]

Would PHX count as west coast?? We already have nonstops to LAS which is farther west anyway.

Not west coast, but it would be another destination offering connections to the west.

[chipwich]

PHX would be an American flight.  Not sure they would gain that many connections over DFW.

Honestly, the most probable route to the West coast would be if Delta put in a new A220 for a JAX-LAX flight.  That plane would be uniquely well fit for the route as it small enough, efficient enough, and has the range needed for an LA flight.  Delta tried an LAX flight about 10 years ago on a 737 I think and it had trouble staying full.

The A220 with its ~120 seats vs ~160 seats of a 737 could make that flight work. 

[Snaketoz]

PHX would be an American flight.  Not sure they would gain that many connections over DFW.

Honestly, the most probable route to the West coast would be if Delta put in a new A220 for a JAX-LAX flight.  That plane would be uniquely well fit for the route as it small enough, efficient enough, and has the range needed for an LA flight.  Delta tried an LAX flight about 10 years ago on a 737 I think and it had trouble staying full.

The A220 with its ~120 seats vs ~160 seats of a 737 could make that flight work.

They could make it with a 737.  If they pulled in Daytona, Savannah, and Gainesville, they could easily make LA profitable.  There used to be flights from Daytona and Savannah to Jax.  Right now I just want a choice....PHX, SLC, LAS on DAL or AA, SFO.  It'll happen.

[Steve]

PHX would be an American flight.  Not sure they would gain that many connections over DFW.

Honestly, the most probable route to the West coast would be if Delta put in a new A220 for a JAX-LAX flight.  That plane would be uniquely well fit for the route as it small enough, efficient enough, and has the range needed for an LA flight.  Delta tried an LAX flight about 10 years ago on a 737 I think and it had trouble staying full.

The A220 with its ~120 seats vs ~160 seats of a 737 could make that flight work. 

Exactly what I was thinking with Delta...or JAX-SLC with the same plane.

[Steve]

PHX would be an American flight.  Not sure they would gain that many connections over DFW.

Honestly, the most probable route to the West coast would be if Delta put in a new A220 for a JAX-LAX flight.  That plane would be uniquely well fit for the route as it small enough, efficient enough, and has the range needed for an LA flight.  Delta tried an LAX flight about 10 years ago on a 737 I think and it had trouble staying full.

The A220 with its ~120 seats vs ~160 seats of a 737 could make that flight work.

They could make it with a 737.  If they pulled in Daytona, Savannah, and Gainesville, they could easily make LA profitable.  There used to be flights from Daytona and Savannah to Jax.  Right now I just want a choice....PHX, SLC, LAS on DAL or AA, SFO.  It'll happen.

This is what Delta tried with a 737....and it failed.

[Steve]

What's interesting is you mentioned United lacking a Southeast presence/strategy.

I wonder if JAX could make its longer term expansion plans part of trying to lure a United hub status. We're one of the few moderately size airport left in the SE without hub status, we'd be a short haul from major airports like Miami, Orlando, Atlanta, Charlotte and their other hub in Houston. Plus Oscar Munoz CEO was a CSX guy...

It'd be interesting to see if United tries to compete in the SE with other airlines hubs or goes a different route of making a smaller SE airport "theirs."

Ultimately I don't think our numbers support it currently, but it'd be interesting none the less.

I've thought about this, but admittedly every time I do I chalk it up to wishful thinking. United has a very light presence in the southeast, and nearest hubs of Houston, Dulles, and O'Hare doesn't help things.

Conceivably, could they make JAX a focus city (small scale hub)? I suppose. I do think though Delta and American have done a good job with the market so I wouldn't bet on it.

[ben says]

Don't have high hopes for quality here (not a huge fan of PP lounges, unless we're talking Asia or Middle East), but still cool/good news for JIA.

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/the-club-jax-opening-at-jacksonville-international-airport

[jaxdan3]

Small update but as of tomorrow 5/1 the Frontier Vegas flight goes from late night/red eye to daytime flights.  Flight from JAX is 9:08AM-11:56AM and flight from Vegas is 1:35PM-8:53PM.

[Steve]

Small update but as of tomorrow 5/1 the Frontier Vegas flight goes from late night/red eye to daytime flights.  Flight from JAX is 9:08AM-11:56AM and flight from Vegas is 1:35PM-8:53PM.

Interesting. Personally that would be my preference, but I feel like that flight did well at a redeye

[JaxAvondale]

These are welcomed changes to the schedule. I love the time on the Vegas to Jax flight. That is my optimal time for leaving Vegas.