UF rated #9 Public University in Country by US News

[Adam White]

^^^I'm well aware of UC-Berkeley's high status within the liberal intelligentsia echo chamber. Not too long ago, it was ranked #3 by a ranking. So truly with this liberal fascism often going on there (people trying to burn down the buildings, no free speech is welcome outside of SJW politics etc) there isn't pressure from the elites to give UC Berkeley and UVA a stellar ranking (even after these horrible debacles)?  You can try to sugarcoat if you want, what happens at UC Berkeley is despicable anarchist behavior, and the left establishment are rewarding them for it.

And, if it previously was ranked 3rd - which universities were ranked ahead of it?

[RattlerGator]

No, Tacachale, you're quite wrong and outdated on this score, and on multiple levels. UVA is known as the most liberal campus in the Southeast, and controversial (within Virginia) because they have *so* many out-of-state students.

And yes, we in Florida clearly have one of the best systems in America -- how many other systems have four universities in the Public Top 100? Go ahead, count 'em up if you dare. Those four don't include FAMU, one of the top HBCU's and it doesn't include New College, one of the top Liberal Arts colleges in the nation. That's six of the 12 SUS schools, so far, Tacachale, and doesn't include UNF.

You think UNF is a bogus, bullshit university

As a low-tax state, it's a remarkable accomplishment -- particularly for UF.

[Tacachale]

UC-Antifa #1?? Conveniently during this anti free speech, SJW/far leftist era, and Berkeley being ground zero?? Sounds fishy... Once upon a time ago, they fought for free speech there... Look at number 3 (2nd ranked) UVA of course....

C'mon do you really not know anything about UCal Berkeley? It's an exceptional university, regardless of your politics. I cannot believe anyone would actually quibble about it being ranked the #1 public university in the nation. It's the best school in one of the best (if not the best) public university systems.

California definitely has one of the best, if not the best systems. Especially considering they also have the California State system which covers the teaching universities. Combined, California has 33 public universities with a wide range of programs, environments, and strengths. This is possible because there's a good central organization that has the best interests of all the campuses and the state's needs in mind.

Other good university systems are North Carolina, Michigan, Virginia, and New York, for the same reasons. Some small states also do well, but it's easier to manage when you have that much smaller of an enrollment.

[Adam White]

And yes, we in Florida clearly have one of the best systems in America -- how many other systems have four universities in the Public Top 100? Go ahead, count 'em up if you dare.

California. New York. Ohio. Virginia. Texas. New Jersey.

I might've missed one or two. But you get the point.

[FlaBoy]

^^^I'm well aware of UC-Berkeley's high status within the liberal intelligentsia echo chamber. Not too long ago, it was ranked #3 by a ranking. So truly with this liberal fascism often going on there (people trying to burn down the buildings, no free speech is welcome outside of SJW politics etc) there isn't pressure from the elites to give UC Berkeley and UVA a stellar ranking (even after these horrible debacles)?  You can try to sugarcoat if you want, what happens at UC Berkeley is despicable anarchist behavior, and the left establishment are rewarding them for it.

And, if it previously was ranked 3rd - which universities were ranked ahead of it?

Traditionally Berkeley, UVA, Michigan and UCLA have been sort of a tier 1 exchanging spots. UNC, William and Mary, and Georgia Tech have been tier 2. The UCs, Wisconsin, and Illinois were sort of a next tier. Washington, Florida, Maryland, Penn State, Ohio State, and Texas have been another tier. What we saw this year was UF jump ahead of Wisconsin and Illinois, and tie the UC's. I think UF's end game is to end up in the Georgia Tech, UNC, William and Mary group with getting consistently around the top 30 ranking. FSU wants to be a top 25 public and top 70 consistently overall. USF's goal is to jump to a top 40 public and top 100 overall.

I will say, Florida's public university system is probably a top tier system at this point anchored by UF but with solid contributions from FSU, USF, UCF, FIU, etc. The northeast has all of the high priced private schools but their public universities are sub par. California is by far the top system. Past California, I think you have a group that includes North Carolina, Michigan, Virginia, Florida, Georgia, Texas, New York and Pennsylvania. With the rise UF to elite status, but also the rise of FSU, USF and UCF, there is definitely an argument to be made for Florida having a top 5 public university system.

[Adam White]

^^^I'm well aware of UC-Berkeley's high status within the liberal intelligentsia echo chamber. Not too long ago, it was ranked #3 by a ranking. So truly with this liberal fascism often going on there (people trying to burn down the buildings, no free speech is welcome outside of SJW politics etc) there isn't pressure from the elites to give UC Berkeley and UVA a stellar ranking (even after these horrible debacles)?  You can try to sugarcoat if you want, what happens at UC Berkeley is despicable anarchist behavior, and the left establishment are rewarding them for it.

And, if it previously was ranked 3rd - which universities were ranked ahead of it?

Traditionally Berkeley, UVA, Michigan and UCLA have been sort of a tier 1 exchanging spots. UNC, William and Mary, and Georgia Tech have been tier 2. The UCs, Wisconsin, and Illinois were sort of a next tier. Washington, Florida, Maryland, Penn State, Ohio State, and Texas have been another tier. What we saw this year was UF jump ahead of Wisconsin and Illinois, and tie the UC's. I think UF's end game is to end up in the Georgia Tech, UNC, William and Mary group with getting consistently around the top 30 ranking. FSU wants to be a top 25 public and top 70 consistently overall. USF's goal is to jump to a top 40 public and top 100 overall.

I will say, Florida's public university system is probably a top tier system at this point anchored by UF but with solid contributions from FSU, USF, UCF, FIU, etc. The northeast has all of the high priced private schools but their public universities are sub par. California is by far the top system. Past California, I think you have a group that includes North Carolina, Michigan, Virginia, Florida, Georgia, Texas, New York and Pennsylvania. With the rise UF to elite status, but also the rise of FSU, USF and UCF, there is definitely an argument to be made for Florida having a top 5 public university system.

I was just curious which universities were displaced by Berkeley. I-10 seems to imply that this ranking is some sort of liberal conspiracy.

[FlaBoy]

^^^I'm well aware of UC-Berkeley's high status within the liberal intelligentsia echo chamber. Not too long ago, it was ranked #3 by a ranking. So truly with this liberal fascism often going on there (people trying to burn down the buildings, no free speech is welcome outside of SJW politics etc) there isn't pressure from the elites to give UC Berkeley and UVA a stellar ranking (even after these horrible debacles)?  You can try to sugarcoat if you want, what happens at UC Berkeley is despicable anarchist behavior, and the left establishment are rewarding them for it.

And, if it previously was ranked 3rd - which universities were ranked ahead of it?

Traditionally Berkeley, UVA, Michigan and UCLA have been sort of a tier 1 exchanging spots. UNC, William and Mary, and Georgia Tech have been tier 2. The UCs, Wisconsin, and Illinois were sort of a next tier. Washington, Florida, Maryland, Penn State, Ohio State, and Texas have been another tier. What we saw this year was UF jump ahead of Wisconsin and Illinois, and tie the UC's. I think UF's end game is to end up in the Georgia Tech, UNC, William and Mary group with getting consistently around the top 30 ranking. FSU wants to be a top 25 public and top 70 consistently overall. USF's goal is to jump to a top 40 public and top 100 overall.

I will say, Florida's public university system is probably a top tier system at this point anchored by UF but with solid contributions from FSU, USF, UCF, FIU, etc. The northeast has all of the high priced private schools but their public universities are sub par. California is by far the top system. Past California, I think you have a group that includes North Carolina, Michigan, Virginia, Florida, Georgia, Texas, New York and Pennsylvania. With the rise UF to elite status, but also the rise of FSU, USF and UCF, there is definitely an argument to be made for Florida having a top 5 public university system.

I was just curious which universities were displaced by Berkeley. I-10 seems to imply that this ranking is some sort of liberal conspiracy.

It is not. Berkeley is just really hard to get into.

UVA and Michigan have each had a turn at #1. UCLA is tied for #1 for the first time this year I believe.

[Captain Zissou]

And yes, we in Florida clearly have one of the best systems in America -- how many other systems have four universities in the Public Top 100? Go ahead, count 'em up if you dare.

California. New York. Ohio. Virginia. Texas. New Jersey.

I might've missed one or two. But you get the point.

[Tacachale]

No, Tacachale, you're quite wrong and outdated on this score, and on multiple levels. UVA is known as the most liberal campus in the Southeast, and controversial (within Virginia) because they have *so* many out-of-state students.

And yes, we in Florida clearly have one of the best systems in America -- how many other systems have four universities in the Public Top 100? Go ahead, count 'em up if you dare. Those four don't include FAMU, one of the top HBCU's and it doesn't include New College, one of the top Liberal Arts colleges in the nation. That's six of the 12 SUS schools, so far, Tacachale, and doesn't include UNF.

You think UNF is a bogus, bullshit university

As a low-tax state, it's a remarkable accomplishment -- particularly for UF.

LOL, "most liberal campus in the Southeast" isn't saying much, even if it were true.

Look, I'm an employee of the State University System. I work for UNF, have two degrees for UNF, and my father is president of UNF. I've stated for years that I got a better education here than I got at UF. Obviously I don't think it's a bad university, or have some problem with education in Florida.

Florida has good individual universities. What it does not have is a good system to coordinate them all. The schools are left to their own devices, and in a lot of cases encouraged just to duplicate what UF is already doing well. For instance, the performance-based metrics encourage schools to pile on STEMM programs without regard for doing it well, and reward massive class sizes and duplicated programs. Meanwhile, the UNC system does stuff like this and this, creating partnerships between UNC institutions.

Florida is the third largest state. It's not surprising that we have that number of universities on lists like this. Yet, we're still outpaced by smaller states, and most of our schools that are on the list, don't do much different than UF or FSU are already excelling at. The reason for that is that the system encourages a "big box" model rather than, well, a system.

If we did have a better system, we'd be second only to California and blowing everyone else away (since Texas's system is also dysfunctional, for its own reasons). We would have built on what we already had with UF and put the others on a more coordinated path, and probably founded several more than we have now. Unfortunately, we didn't do that.

[I-10east]

I was just curious which universities were displaced by Berkeley. I-10 seems to imply that this ranking is some sort of liberal conspiracy.

Look at this 2015 ranking here below, UC Berkeley is number 3. Oh no, the military and naval academies are 1 and 2; Can't have that, these warmongering arch-conservative type institutions can't be on the list!! I'm not arguing that UC Berkeley is a high ranking public university (even though I don't care for it) just the timing of these Antifa uprisings, and UC Berkeley and UVA being ranked very highly at the top two, that's all.

https://www.forbes.com/pictures/gkhh45md/best-public-colleges-201/#7b5918ab3040

The US liberal establishment have alot of power, particularly in the legacy news media (even legacy sports media now), Hollywood, and academia. They even push wedge issue movies to won awards, no matter if the GP likes the movie or not; As long as someone is a victim of some situation, there is money to be made.   

[RattlerGator]

Tacachale, I don't give a flying flip who your father is. However, I'm impressed with your feelings . . . okay?

I've acknowledged your feelings, okay?

But you're dancing around the point I made. I listed six of our 12 public universities that have some acknowledged distinction. You've now vouched for UNF. That makes seven attested for.

So, back to the Top 100 and specifics: how many states do you think have at least *four* public universities in the Top 90? That's how many institutions low-tax, smallest Southern state until the 1950 census Florida has in the Top 90. If it's less than 10, Tacachale, and I can assure it is, we objectively have one of the best university systems in the freaking nation by this very subjective list.

No matter how you might feel about that fact. And, yes, all university ranking lists are incredibly subjective. But it's a poor frog that won't praise its own pond. Ask ya daddy.

[Jim]

I was just curious which universities were displaced by Berkeley. I-10 seems to imply that this ranking is some sort of liberal conspiracy.

Look at this 2015 ranking here below, UC Berkeley is number 3. Oh no, the military and naval academies are 1 and 2; Can't have that, these warmongering arch-conservative type institutions can't be on the list!! I'm not arguing that UC Berkeley is a high ranking public university (even though I don't care for it) just the timing of these Antifa uprisings, and UC Berkeley and UVA being ranked very highly at the top two, that's all.

https://www.forbes.com/pictures/gkhh45md/best-public-colleges-201/#7b5918ab3040

The US liberal establishment have alot of power, particularly in the legacy news media (even legacy sports media now), Hollywood, and academia. They even push wedge issue movies to won awards, no matter if the GP likes the movie or not; As long as someone is a victim of some situation, there is money to be made.   

Forbes is right of center and still has UC-Berkley at number 3 after 2 universities that require military admission and congressional nomination to attend.  Your liberal media conspiracy theories for university rankings are not looking well grounded.

[Tacachale]

Tacachale, I don't give a flying flip who your father is. However, I'm impressed with your feelings . . . okay?

I've acknowledged your feelings, okay?

But you're dancing around the point I made. I listed six of our 12 public universities that have some acknowledged distinction. You've now vouched for UNF. That makes seven attested for.

So, back to the Top 100 and specifics: how many states do you think have at least *four* public universities in the Top 90? That's how many institutions low-tax, smallest Southern state until the 1950 census Florida has in the Top 90. If it's less than 10, Tacachale, and I can assure it is, we objectively have one of the best university systems in the freaking nation by this very subjective list.

No matter how you might feel about that fact. And, yes, all university ranking lists are incredibly subjective. But it's a poor frog that won't praise its own pond. Ask ya daddy.

Nothing I stated are "feelings". They're facts based on years of experience working in the system that we're talking about. I know the distinction between facts and feelings is lost on some Trump supporters

We're talking past each other. When you're talking about Florida's university system, you're talking about the collection of universities that Florida has. Some of those are indeed excellent. Others excel in their niches, and still others have excellent programs. I and probably most people would agree based on that sense of the "system".

What I'm talking about is the system as an organization. This is what's lacking. Our system doesn't have much in the way of centralized decision making or structure, there's too little vision, and it's all too subject to politics. If it were stronger, our universities would be even better than they are, there'd be less duplication and infighting, and more development of individual strengths. This is the area I find disappointing. Our population and large student body disguises the fact that we could be a lot better off than we are.

[Captain Zissou]

So, back to the Top 100 and specifics: how many states do you think have at least *four* public universities in the Top 90?

You know the list provided in the original post goes through the top 100, right?  If you'd just take a little time and use a little effort, you can answer your own question.
Count of Schools in the top 90 by State:
California-10
Virginia- 5
New York- 5
Florida- 4
Ohio- 4
New Jersey- 4

How do you FEEL about that, tough guy?

Edit: If you go through the whole top 100, New Jersey goes to 5 schools and Texas joins Florida at 4....

[jaxjags]

I believe Ohio has a much more "organized system". The old Board of Reagents (now Dept. of Higher Education) keeps a strong rein on the group of 14 universities. For instance Ohio State is the main school so to speak with medical, dental, pharmacy schools, law school, specialized engineering, huge laboratories etc. All the things you can truly support with 50,000 plus students on one campus. They are the research school for Ohio. Other schools do not have competing programs. Resources are applied appropriately.

That is why Miami of Ohio is always ranked very high for teaching quality. Small undergrad enrollment, small classes, specialty programs. I know as I went there for my undergraduate degree.