William Stephen (Dare?) Griffin

[ChriswUfGator]

Don't use CORE.

Where's the citations?

Perhaps you confused yourself with your father?

I can understand how that could happen.

Says the genius whose info was self-describedly from the public records, but now suddenly doesn't use it.

*yawn*

[tufsu1]

I fully believe Chris when he says he is not involved.  This lawsuit is pretty laughable, and very poorly written.  Chris is a better lawyer than that!

[RattlerGator]

Well, I guess I shouldn't be surprised the thread is taking a weirdly interesting and clubbish turn. So, without further adieu, allow me to add to the mix.

Stephen wrote me yesterday afternoon. I just saw the eMail this morning. I respect his privacy and won't share his comments but they were somewhat respectful (we're talking about Stephen, okay?) but -- as is his won't -- contained multiple strong opinions about my take on things in this thread. My summary: he was extremely disappointed in what I wrote, opining about things I couldn't possibly know, and offered a way for further communication if I so desired.

Well, I feel his pain. It can't be easy reading some of the comments, especially when one so opinionated is also so thin-skinned.

That said, ladies and gentlemen of the shire, I'll now share my response that I just sent to him in full (yes, I'm hoping there's a "period" coming soon to the final sentence of this episodic back-and-forth):

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Stephen, this is the problem with you and I guess it's just a significant part of your nature and truly an indication of where you are right now in your life.

I offered an opinion, my man. A strong opinion. Because that's how I learn. I use adversarial conversation judiciously; others may think I do so not quite judiciously. Cool.

But that which I offered? It's an honest opinion.

This lawsuit is a bad idea. Someone close to you should have convinced you of that. The comments on the board after your departure have been illuminating; I certainly was clueless about all of that. I'm certain they've been hurtful. But if you've paid attention, you know that as a proud sunshine pumper I've needled Ennis rather strongly on more than one issue. And I've been needled in turn. All in good fun. Grown-ass people have different opinions about things and don't need to ask permission to do so, or risk irrational judgment when doing so.

One would think that would color your view of things but apparently not.

In July of 2006 a very good writer online posted a long piece that he has recently posted once again. I hope you'll read it and meditate upon it. Whether or not you know how to appreciate a conservative approach to politics shouldn't matter on this essay. It's a good, neutral essay:

          A Change of Heart; first posted on July 6, 2006

          http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/grace_notes/a_change_of_hea.php

Our city and our country are in remarkably good hands; world events could always take a turn for the worse but it's an exciting time to be alive. Take a step back, bruh. Turn loose the hate and the hurt. I'd offer the same opinion to the MetroJacksonville partners you once collaborated with.

All the best,

JBW

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I honestly do think all parties involved would benefit from reading the linked essay (after all, this business was something of a marriage) and taking a step back. Prior mediation should have been able to resolve all of this and I'm virtually certain Stephen has been intransigent as hell.

[Midway ®]

First, a disclaimer: All parties named in the post below have identified themselves on multiple occasions both on this forum and in other public venues. I respect the privacy of others, but once they self identify in this and other public venues any expectation of privacy ceases because they self Doxxed.

I fully believe Chris when he says he is not involved.  This lawsuit is pretty laughable, and very poorly written.  Chris is a better lawyer than that!

OK, I will take you at your word here, apparently you know him.

So basically what you are saying is that he is not that dumb...that's a pretty low bar, but whatever works.

Although, by William Stephen Griffin's own statement in his Facebook post, he was directly planning this event with Chris and [Redacted Person 3].

Here is the link to a copy of that post:  http://imgur.com/a/1gakI?

Then a copy of the complaint shows up on Chris' private server and is hot linked through his post under the guise of being helpful.

While Chris may not have signed the complaint and is not the attorney of record, his fingerprints are certainly all over this thing, mainly through the direct admission of William Stephen Griffin in his Facebook post (above) and Chris' subsequent cheer-leading actions.

While Chris stating that he has nothing to do with the case is technically correct, he most certainly encouraged, aided and abetted William Stephen Griffin in this foolish endeavor.

The main point being, that without any reason whatsoever, Chris felt it necessary to disavow involvement in this matter while concurrently hosting and Hot Linking  the documents describing the particulars of the case on his own private document server. He assumed (and correctly so) that the average MetJax user would not have the patience or expertise to navigate through the Duval county Clerk of Courts CORE system to dig up the case documents, so he made it easy with a simple Hot Link to his private document server.

Now, I don't care what Chris does and I don't care if he is or is not involved with this case, but there has to some reason for him to be less than truthful about this matter, that's what piques my interest. As many people have said, its not the crime, but the coverup that gets you.

I suppose, what seemed like a great idea during an evening of drinking with your two buddies did not look quite so terrific in the cold hard light of day.

Then the backpedalling began.

[ChriswUfGator]

First, a disclaimer: All parties named in the post below have identified themselves on multiple occasions both on this forum and in other public venues. I respect the privacy of others, but once they self identify in this and other public venues any expectation of privacy ceases because they self Doxxed.

I fully believe Chris when he says he is not involved.  This lawsuit is pretty laughable, and very poorly written.  Chris is a better lawyer than that!

OK, I will take you at your word here, apparently you know him.

So basically what you are saying is that he is not that dumb...that's a pretty low bar, but whatever works.

Although, by William Stephen Griffin's own statement in his Facebook post, he was directly planning this event with Chris and [Redacted Person 3].

Here is the link to a copy of that post:  http://imgur.com/a/1gakI?

Then a copy of the complaint shows up on Chris' private server and is hot linked through his post under the guise of being helpful.

While Chris may not have signed the complaint and is not the attorney of record, his fingerprints are certainly all over this thing, mainly through the direct admission of William Stephen Griffin in his Facebook post (above) and Chris' subsequent cheer-leading actions.

While Chris stating that he has nothing to do with the case is technically correct, he most certainly encouraged, aided and abetted William Stephen Griffin in this foolish endeavor.

The main point being, that without any reason whatsoever, Chris felt it necessary to disavow involvement in this matter while concurrently hosting and Hot Linking  the documents describing the particulars of the case on his own private document server. He assumed (and correctly so) that the average MetJax user would not have the patience or expertise to navigate through the Duval county Clerk of Courts CORE system to dig up the case documents, so he made it easy with a simple Hot Link to his private document server.

Now, I don't care what Chris does and I don't care if he is or is not involved with this case, but there has to some reason for him to be less than truthful about this matter, that's what piques my interest. As many people have said, its not the crime, but the coverup that gets you.

I suppose, what seemed like a great idea during an evening of drinking with your two buddies did not look quite so terrific in the cold hard light of day.

Then the backpedalling began.

You tried calling me out for never having any cases besides for tenant evictions, because you didn't understand how the case search worked (can't search by attorney name), then denied using it after you did, now somehow that's me backpedalling?

That's rich.

[KenFSU]

Fucking Gators 

In all seriousness, everything will work out the way that it should.

Internal politics aside, I'm grateful for everything that MetroJax - Stephen included - has done for the city and has done in providing a place for constructive discourse on local interests to take place.

Didn't work out - such is life - and hoping for a peaceful resolution.

Still don't see the argument that Modern Cities is a "competing website" though. If you've followed it since it's inception, it's very different than MetroJacksonville (and very, very different than modern MetroJacksonville), with a much more specific focus, no forum, national scope, etc.

[Midway ®]

Chriswufgator:

Since your rhetorical strategy appears to be fixated on the CORE red herring while you refuse to answer any of the real questions that I have raised, I will clarify my prior statement for your benefit:

I do not use CORE when the search parameters are not appropriate to the function of the system.

When they are, I do.

Your silence on the balance of the issues, speaks to the veracity of your prior statements.

This fixation on the CORE system is a FAILED strategy! SAD!

So, the question remains, what exactly were/are you planning/doing with William Stephen Griffin AKA Stephen Dare and Redacted person 3 during your dinner date?

[ChriswUfGator]

Chriswufgator:

Since your rhetorical strategy appears to be fixated on the CORE red herring while you refuse to answer any of the real questions that I have raised, I will clarify my prior statement for your benefit:

I do not use CORE when the search parameters are not appropriate to the function of the system.

When they are, I do.

Your silence on the balance of the issues, speaks to the veracity of your prior statements.

This fixation on the CORE system is a FAILED strategy! SAD!

So, the question remains, what exactly were/are you planning/doing with William Stephen Griffin AKA Stephen Dare and Redacted person 3 during your dinner date?

LOL

[Adam White]

This fixation on the CORE system is a FAILED strategy! SAD!

Is Midway actually Donald Trump?

RG...thoughts?

[spuwho]

Sounds like Midway and ChrisufGator had an issue prior to Stephen's departure.

[ChriswUfGator]

Sounds like Midway and ChrisufGator had an issue prior to Stephen's departure.

I actually don't think I've ever spoken to him before his meltdown in this thread.

[Adam White]

Think of the Eagles (band) when they performed a dissolution and removed Don Felder.  Don was listed on the incorporation papers as the CFO but he hadn't checked the finances ever. Then when he sobered up, he began to take on the fiduciary duties and found out Henley and Frey were kinda milking the cheese. When Henley and Frey wouldn't answer his phone calls, his attorney got involved. That is where the corporate attorney came in and notified Felder his duties were voted out. They settled out of court.

The GoGo's girl band pulled a nasty on bassist Kathy Valentine.  When Charlotte Caffey got ticked Valentine dropped a Twitter on her drug habit to promote a book, they moved to "eliminate" her.  The remaining GoGo's simply set up a new corporate entity, took all the touring money and paid a small licensing and rights fee to the former entity, of which Valentine had a irrevocable share of 20%. So she went from 20% of $2 million annually to only 20% of $100k. They also settled out of court.

Usually in these settlements are financial considerations for their past creative work and a press gag to keep the voted out members from talking to reporters about the dirt. That usually requires some kind of valuation of the former functional entity.  Felder isn't allowed to disclose his settlement, but he was able to write a book. Henley challenged it (and lost) but changes were made. (mostly material on Henley's drug habits)

Kathy Valentine also can't disclose anything, but she had already written a book on her GoGo's life, so the gag was limited to mostly the press.

Those were 2 examples where there was a formal agreement in place, but it was loosely enforced until one person spoke up.

Dude, the GoGos were a band. No need to use the word "girl" as a modifier. They were a shit ton better than the fucking "boy" band The Eagles, that's for damn sure.

All it does is date me "dude". I own their albums and when they started, all girl bands were still unique. Forgive me?

At least the info I shared passed your filter.

As Casey Kasem would say, "Now, back to the countdown"

When I first heard the Go-Go's, I referred to them as a "girl band". That was in 1982 or so. It's not 2017 - no need to still call them that. I guess it dates you in the same way it dates an old man who refers to black people as "colored". It's never to late to change.

[spuwho]

Think of the Eagles (band) when they performed a dissolution and removed Don Felder.  Don was listed on the incorporation papers as the CFO but he hadn't checked the finances ever. Then when he sobered up, he began to take on the fiduciary duties and found out Henley and Frey were kinda milking the cheese. When Henley and Frey wouldn't answer his phone calls, his attorney got involved. That is where the corporate attorney came in and notified Felder his duties were voted out. They settled out of court.

The GoGo's girl band pulled a nasty on bassist Kathy Valentine.  When Charlotte Caffey got ticked Valentine dropped a Twitter on her drug habit to promote a book, they moved to "eliminate" her.  The remaining GoGo's simply set up a new corporate entity, took all the touring money and paid a small licensing and rights fee to the former entity, of which Valentine had a irrevocable share of 20%. So she went from 20% of $2 million annually to only 20% of $100k. They also settled out of court.

Usually in these settlements are financial considerations for their past creative work and a press gag to keep the voted out members from talking to reporters about the dirt. That usually requires some kind of valuation of the former functional entity.  Felder isn't allowed to disclose his settlement, but he was able to write a book. Henley challenged it (and lost) but changes were made. (mostly material on Henley's drug habits)

Kathy Valentine also can't disclose anything, but she had already written a book on her GoGo's life, so the gag was limited to mostly the press.

Those were 2 examples where there was a formal agreement in place, but it was loosely enforced until one person spoke up.

Dude, the GoGos were a band. No need to use the word "girl" as a modifier. They were a shit ton better than the fucking "boy" band The Eagles, that's for damn sure.

All it does is date me "dude". I own their albums and when they started, all girl bands were still unique. Forgive me?

At least the info I shared passed your filter.

As Casey Kasem would say, "Now, back to the countdown"

When I first heard the Go-Go's, I referred to them as a "girl band". That was in 1982 or so. It's not 2017 - no need to still call them that. I guess it dates you in the same way it dates an old man who refers to black people as "colored". It's never to late to change.

Sorry, but putting a "girl band " title in with " colored" is a big stretch.  Next you will tell me the Rolling Stones arent a rock band as that would be an insult to 《insert current band here》.

Are you always this easily offended? What do you think of when you look in the mirror?

[Adam White]

Think of the Eagles (band) when they performed a dissolution and removed Don Felder.  Don was listed on the incorporation papers as the CFO but he hadn't checked the finances ever. Then when he sobered up, he began to take on the fiduciary duties and found out Henley and Frey were kinda milking the cheese. When Henley and Frey wouldn't answer his phone calls, his attorney got involved. That is where the corporate attorney came in and notified Felder his duties were voted out. They settled out of court.

The GoGo's girl band pulled a nasty on bassist Kathy Valentine.  When Charlotte Caffey got ticked Valentine dropped a Twitter on her drug habit to promote a book, they moved to "eliminate" her.  The remaining GoGo's simply set up a new corporate entity, took all the touring money and paid a small licensing and rights fee to the former entity, of which Valentine had a irrevocable share of 20%. So she went from 20% of $2 million annually to only 20% of $100k. They also settled out of court.

Usually in these settlements are financial considerations for their past creative work and a press gag to keep the voted out members from talking to reporters about the dirt. That usually requires some kind of valuation of the former functional entity.  Felder isn't allowed to disclose his settlement, but he was able to write a book. Henley challenged it (and lost) but changes were made. (mostly material on Henley's drug habits)

Kathy Valentine also can't disclose anything, but she had already written a book on her GoGo's life, so the gag was limited to mostly the press.

Those were 2 examples where there was a formal agreement in place, but it was loosely enforced until one person spoke up.

Dude, the GoGos were a band. No need to use the word "girl" as a modifier. They were a shit ton better than the fucking "boy" band The Eagles, that's for damn sure.

All it does is date me "dude". I own their albums and when they started, all girl bands were still unique. Forgive me?

At least the info I shared passed your filter.

As Casey Kasem would say, "Now, back to the countdown"

When I first heard the Go-Go's, I referred to them as a "girl band". That was in 1982 or so. It's not 2017 - no need to still call them that. I guess it dates you in the same way it dates an old man who refers to black people as "colored". It's never to late to change.

Sorry, but putting a "girl band " title in with " colored" is a big stretch.  Next you will tell me the Rolling Stones arent a rock band as that would be an insult to 《insert current band here》.

Are you always this easily offended? What do you think of when you look in the mirror?

I'm saying the argument that using "girl band" when describing the Go-Go's is simply an issue of your age is pathetic. You can decide for yourself whether you think it's as offensive as "colored". I never said it was and it's clear you missed my point entirely.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

I'm saying the argument that using "girl band" when describing the Go-Go's is simply an issue of your age is pathetic. You can decide for yourself whether you think it's as offensive as "colored". I never said it was and it's clear you missed my point entirely.

Seriously, Adam, NOBODY is going to get your points until you REFINE your use of typical forum argument discussion typesets.

We're here; why you aren't?