Very sad: Restaurant owner killed exercising...

Started by Driven1, July 24, 2008, 11:11:36 PM

second_pancake

Uptown, I use the bike lane on Riverside as do a lot of us that ride in groups on group rides or just to move about the city at higher rates of speed.  While the riverwalk is nice for general purposes, if you ride faster than 18 mph, it's just not safe for those walking and jogging.  You're right though, the lane on Riverside does just end.  The funny thing is, the road stays the same width all the way down until the right turn into 5 points.  Did they run out of paint or something, lol.
"What objectivity and the study of philosophy requires is not an 'open mind,' but an active mind - a mind able and eagerly willing to examine ideas, but to examine them criticially."

thelakelander

#16
The road contractor probably just added the bike lane in the area where they were under contract to expand Riverside Avenue.  The area south of I-95/north of McCoys Cree was not a part of that contract.  What the city needs is an actual plan where bike lanes are constructed as a part of a more massive network for cyclist to easily navigate the city.  What we are doing right now is building isolated lanes, based on certain road expansion projects.  In other words, there's no "connectivity".
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." - Muhammad Ali

Driven1

vicupstate,

i really could care less how some local idiot extrapolates my political views or lifestyle from my choice to cycle.  what i'm railing against is what 2ndpancake cited - an overall mentality in this city.  and the city's leaders are leaders of the worst kind in this arena - i think they have the same mentality.

brainstormer

These posts made me realize how little I ride my bike anymore.  I used to live in Madison WI and rode my bike almost everyday.  Madison not only had painted bike lanes on its streets, but also miles and miles of separate bike paths that connected to various points all over the city.  I honestly don't feel safe riding in Jacksonville and many times I just walk instead.  I would be in huge support of working towards getting some designated bike lanes especially in the downtown area.

And please people....wear a helmet and make your kids wear one too.  It could save your life.

thebrokenforum

Quotei think they have the same mentality.

Think you hit the nail on the head.

Driven1

Quote from: brainstormer on July 25, 2008, 03:08:07 PM
These posts made me realize how little I ride my bike anymore.  I used to live in Madison WI and rode my bike almost everyday.  Madison not only had painted bike lanes on its streets, but also miles and miles of separate bike paths that connected to various points all over the city.  I honestly don't feel safe riding in Jacksonville and many times I just walk instead.  I would be in huge support of working towards getting some designated bike lanes especially in the downtown area.

And please people....wear a helmet and make your kids wear one too.  It could save your life.

I read somewhere that Madison was a wonderful city for riding your bike.

BridgeTroll

The state of Wisconsin has also transformed old Railroad tracks into biking thoroughfares that criss cross the state... the skeeters are a bitch tho... ;D
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

BridgeTroll

In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

second_pancake

Quote from: stephendare on July 25, 2008, 02:57:51 PM
Quote from: second_pancake on July 25, 2008, 02:49:20 PM
Uptown, I use the bike lane on Riverside as do a lot of us that ride in groups on group rides or just to move about the city at higher rates of speed.  While the riverwalk is nice for general purposes, if you ride faster than 18 mph, it's just not safe for those walking and jogging.  You're right though, the lane on Riverside does just end.  The funny thing is, the road stays the same width all the way down until the right turn into 5 points.  Did they run out of paint or something, lol.

are you serious?

Dead serious.  Come over the Acosta from San Marco via the Broad St. exit, make a left turn, left make another left to go onto Riverside over that very steep little Riverside bridge, and you're immediately spit onto a bike lane.  The lane continues past Jefferson, in front of the new EverHome building and then just suddenly poops out right before Blue Cross and Blue Shield, but the width of the road stays the same.
"What objectivity and the study of philosophy requires is not an 'open mind,' but an active mind - a mind able and eagerly willing to examine ideas, but to examine them criticially."

uptowngirl

Same on 8th St it just vanishes between Main and Laura. it doesn;t really begin or end anywhere either, it connects to nothing, it is the twilight zone. I also think 8th is only marked as a bike lane on one side.

downtownparks

Quote from: Driven1 on July 25, 2008, 03:18:09 PM
Quote from: brainstormer on July 25, 2008, 03:08:07 PM
These posts made me realize how little I ride my bike anymore.  I used to live in Madison WI and rode my bike almost everyday.  Madison not only had painted bike lanes on its streets, but also miles and miles of separate bike paths that connected to various points all over the city.  I honestly don't feel safe riding in Jacksonville and many times I just walk instead.  I would be in huge support of working towards getting some designated bike lanes especially in the downtown area.

And please people....wear a helmet and make your kids wear one too.  It could save your life.

I read somewhere that Madison was a wonderful city for riding your bike.

Its a college city, of course it is. It is a remarkably pretty little city too.

chipwich

#26
This story is truly very sad and should wake up some in Jacksonville about the need to create more pedestrian friendly neighborhoods.  Now I think I'm going to get lynched by members of this board when I say that I actually hate it when I have to share the road with bikers.  There I said it.  I don't mind bicycle lanes at all and I think they are a super great idea though.

Normal road lanes are for cars. They were designed for cars and cars mainly travel on them.  In Jacksonville there are many two lane roads (one lane in each direction).  It makes my blood boil when I have to drive behind a cyclist who understandably is traveling at no more than 20 mph.  All I can think is get the heck off of the road.   Not to mention, I then have to cross into the oncoming traffic lane to get around the biker(s).  Most bikers I see are just doing it for recreation, not as necessity. 

Car lanes are for cars, bicycle lanes are for bicycles.  I understand there are not many bicycle lanes here in Jax and that is a shame.  The city should build many many more bicycle lanes to accommodate cyclists.  But likewise cyclists should understand that the are traveling at a much lower speed than cars and thus are causing unnecessary hardships on drivers and also creating a traffic hazard when they use car lanes.

Now don't even get me started on the assholes who feel it is their god given right to use car lans for walking when there is a perfectly fine sidewalk available next to the road.  They can just go to hell.  I won't give them 3 ft or any room for that matter.  They can just get run over for all I care.  I certainly take caution not to run them over ( i don't want to injure or kill anyone with my car), but I really shouldn't have to use any caution because they should not be in the middle of the road in the first place.  Some people even walk/ jog with their strollers in the middle of the road.  Those people should have their heads examined for the safety of their children.

Driven1

#27
Quote from: chipwich on July 26, 2008, 01:57:15 AM
Normal road lanes are for cars. They were designed for cars and cars mainly travel on them.  In Jacksonville there are many two lane roads (one lane in each direction).  It makes my blood boil when I have to drive behind a cyclist who understandably is traveling at no more than 20 mph.  All I can think is get the heck off of the road.   Not to mention, I then have to cross into the oncoming traffic lane to get around the biker(s).  Most bikers I see are just doing it for recreation, not as necessity. 

i just question why you can't just slow down for 6 seconds to save a life and be friendly?  what is so important in YOUR life that you can't share the road?

thebrokenforum

QuoteThey can just go to hell.  I won't give them 3 ft or any room for that matter.  They can just get run over for all I care.

You expect people to take you seriously with an argument like that?

Driven1

#29
Quote from: chipwich on July 26, 2008, 01:57:15 AM
Now don't even get me started on the assholes who feel it is their god given right to use car lans for walking when there is a perfectly fine sidewalk available next to the road.  They can just go to hell.  I won't give them 3 ft or any room for that matter.  They can just get run over for all I care. 

chip, i've never met you, but i can picture you.  you have a larger frame and really don't get outdoors that much.  you had one too many chocolate "chipwiches" long ago.  your weight issues have vexed you for some time now.  to the point that you have almost given up hope.  you've pretty much accepted this "bigger" you as the new you and there is no turning back.  you actually could turn back chip.  you just have to exercise regularly and eat right.  and be consistent.  those three things chip. 

listen, the reason that many people run (i don't see any walk) on the pavement instead of the concrete sidewalk is that the rubber in asphalt "gives" more than concrete does.  meaning it is better on the knees of the runner. 

there are so many things like this that if some people actually had an active lifestyle and took care of their bodies, they would find this stuff out on their own through experience.

i had an acquaintance (she was about 24) that was killed on Sunbeam Rd by a motorist about 5 years ago.  i think she was actually running on the sidewalk though.  i wonder if it was you that hit her?  if not you, it was probably someone with the exact same mentality and hatred towards those who are more active than you.

it all comes down to the kindergarten lesson (that you and so many like you in this town missed)... sharing.