Bondi calls nightclub 'a war zone' & blames Radical Islam

[AKIRA]

That's a bit dramatic.. disagreeing with gay marriage isn't the same thing as condoning mass murder.

[Adam White]

That's a bit dramatic.. disagreeing with gay marriage isn't the same thing as condoning mass murder.

You're right, it isn't. But it's naive to think that anti-gay rhetoric doesn't contribute the poisonous climate and foster hate crimes against LGBT people.

[AKIRA]

That's a bit dramatic.. disagreeing with gay marriage isn't the same thing as condoning mass murder.

You're right, it isn't. But it's naive to think that anti-gay rhetoric doesn't contribute the poisonous climate and foster hate crimes against LGBT people.

True, to a degree. 

There is also the propensity to create fanatics on both sides of the issue when all points of disagreement are viewed too severely by the opposing sides.

[AKIRA]

No, it is not the single ingredient, but is one, nevertheless.

[Adam White]

That's a bit dramatic.. disagreeing with gay marriage isn't the same thing as condoning mass murder.

You're right, it isn't. But it's naive to think that anti-gay rhetoric doesn't contribute the poisonous climate and foster hate crimes against LGBT people.

True, to a degree. 

There is also the propensity to create fanatics on both sides of the issue when all points of disagreement are viewed too severely by the opposing sides.

Interesting. I'd see that as a symptom more than a cause.

[AKIRA]

That's a bit dramatic.. disagreeing with gay marriage isn't the same thing as condoning mass murder.

You're right, it isn't. But it's naive to think that anti-gay rhetoric doesn't contribute the poisonous climate and foster hate crimes against LGBT people.

True, to a degree. 

There is also the propensity to create fanatics on both sides of the issue when all points of disagreement are viewed too severely by the opposing sides.

Interesting. I'd see that as a symptom more than a cause.

Perhaps it would be more correct to say "fanaticism" than "fanatic", making my statement less personal, and more observational.

[bill]

No, it is not the single ingredient, but is one, nevertheless.

No.  Its not.  Not trying to be a dick here, but I know from fanatics. Ive spent a whole lot of quality time with them over the years, as they fascinate me.

Sorta like a Non gay non fanatic terrorist not interesting in a gay bar?

[JaxJersey-licious]

After all the shock, anger, questions, and sorrow from last weekend's tragedy and particularly after all the  admonishments, excuses, blaming, and word-parsing debates brought about; a simple suggestions: Concerning the current deliberations about last weekend can we try to give ourselves some time to breathe?

I'm not talking about avoiding all news or mentions of the tragic event in Orlando, but perhaps for a day or two can we refrain from some of the typical arguments and accusations made during times like these or avoid pursuing, pointing out, or poking holes in the latest rumors, theories, and postings? The news of the aftermath of last weekend will always be there waiting for us to pursue as will the opportunities to inform and opine on social media.

For the record, this is not a rebuke of any of the current discourse about last Saturday night because discussions and debates are healthy and necessary. I'm primarily projecting my struggle dealing with this senseless act and dealing with my demands for answers and desire to help heal. Going through all this our hearts may be heavy but are stronger that we think, but that shouldn't keep us from trying to or asking for help easing it's burden.

And in keeping with the theme of this thread, we all may be better served by hearing the statements of another Republican touched by this tragedy...

http://wonkette.com/602990/this-utah-republican-publicly-mourning-gay-orlando-victims-will-make-you-ugly-cry

[Adam White]

After all the shock, anger, questions, and sorrow from last weekend's tragedy and particularly after all the  admonishments, excuses, blaming, and word-parsing debates brought about; a simple suggestions: Concerning the current deliberations about last weekend can we try to give ourselves some time to breathe?

I'm not talking about avoiding all news or mentions of the tragic event in Orlando, but perhaps for a day or two can we refrain from some of the typical arguments and accusations made during times like these or avoid pursuing, pointing out, or poking holes in the latest rumors, theories, and postings? The news of the aftermath of last weekend will always be there waiting for us to pursue as will the opportunities to inform and opine on social media.

For the record, this is not a rebuke of any of the current discourse about last Saturday night because discussions and debates are healthy and necessary. I'm primarily projecting my struggle dealing with this senseless act and dealing with my demands for answers and desire to help heal. Going through all this our hearts may be heavy but are stronger that we think, but that shouldn't keep us from trying to or asking for help easing it's burden.

And in keeping with the theme of this thread, we all may be better served by hearing the statements of another Republican touched by this tragedy...

http://wonkette.com/602990/this-utah-republican-publicly-mourning-gay-orlando-victims-will-make-you-ugly-cry

You could always, I don't know... not read the thread?

You're not obligated to click on the thread and read it. So it's not like anyone is forcing you to endure that. Of course, you know that - so I don't see how this is anything but an admonishment. You're asking other people to alter their behaviour, even though it doesn't even need to impact you.

Edit: I don't mean to seem like I'm having a go at you and if my message came across that way, I apologise. I think my point is that, whilst I understand where you're coming from, it does seem as if you're taking people to task for discussing this issue.

[Adam White]

I this guy were an Imam, there would be outrage and his words would be used as 'evidence' that Islam is a violent religion and incompatible with Western society.


Pastor Roger Jimenez from Verity Baptist Church caused revulsion around America with a televised rant which said, 'Are you sad that 50 pedophiles were killed today? Um no. I think that's great. I think that helps society. I think Orlando, Florida, is a little safer tonight.


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/im-upset-he-didnt-finish-the-job-christian-092114685.html

[Gunnar]

After all the shock, anger, questions, and sorrow from last weekend's tragedy and particularly after all the  admonishments, excuses, blaming, and word-parsing debates brought about; a simple suggestions: Concerning the current deliberations about last weekend can we try to give ourselves some time to breathe?

I'm not talking about avoiding all news or mentions of the tragic event in Orlando, but perhaps for a day or two can we refrain from some of the typical arguments and accusations made during times like these or avoid pursuing, pointing out, or poking holes in the latest rumors, theories, and postings? The news of the aftermath of last weekend will always be there waiting for us to pursue as will the opportunities to inform and opine on social media.

For the record, this is not a rebuke of any of the current discourse about last Saturday night because discussions and debates are healthy and necessary. I'm primarily projecting my struggle dealing with this senseless act and dealing with my demands for answers and desire to help heal. Going through all this our hearts may be heavy but are stronger that we think, but that shouldn't keep us from trying to or asking for help easing it's burden.

And in keeping with the theme of this thread, we all may be better served by hearing the statements of another Republican touched by this tragedy...

http://wonkette.com/602990/this-utah-republican-publicly-mourning-gay-orlando-victims-will-make-you-ugly-cry

You could always, I don't know... not read the thread?

You're not obligated to click on the thread and read it. So it's not like anyone is forcing you to endure that. Of course, you know that - so I don't see how this is anything but an admonishment. You're asking other people to alter their behaviour, even though it doesn't even need to impact you.

Edit: I don't mean to seem like I'm having a go at you and if my message came across that way, I apologise. I think my point is that, whilst I understand where you're coming from, it does seem as if you're taking people to task for discussing this issue.

Wonkette is occasionally unkind to people of the Republican persuasion. Occasionally. But there are times, like this week in the wake of the Orlando shootings, when we all need to be a little more human, even to people we disagree with. (Unless they're being evil dicks ABOUT the Orlando shootings, in which case f*** them.)



That said, I found it was a great speech - really what needed to be said.

[Adam White]

After all the shock, anger, questions, and sorrow from last weekend's tragedy and particularly after all the  admonishments, excuses, blaming, and word-parsing debates brought about; a simple suggestions: Concerning the current deliberations about last weekend can we try to give ourselves some time to breathe?

I'm not talking about avoiding all news or mentions of the tragic event in Orlando, but perhaps for a day or two can we refrain from some of the typical arguments and accusations made during times like these or avoid pursuing, pointing out, or poking holes in the latest rumors, theories, and postings? The news of the aftermath of last weekend will always be there waiting for us to pursue as will the opportunities to inform and opine on social media.

For the record, this is not a rebuke of any of the current discourse about last Saturday night because discussions and debates are healthy and necessary. I'm primarily projecting my struggle dealing with this senseless act and dealing with my demands for answers and desire to help heal. Going through all this our hearts may be heavy but are stronger that we think, but that shouldn't keep us from trying to or asking for help easing it's burden.

And in keeping with the theme of this thread, we all may be better served by hearing the statements of another Republican touched by this tragedy...

http://wonkette.com/602990/this-utah-republican-publicly-mourning-gay-orlando-victims-will-make-you-ugly-cry

You could always, I don't know... not read the thread?

You're not obligated to click on the thread and read it. So it's not like anyone is forcing you to endure that. Of course, you know that - so I don't see how this is anything but an admonishment. You're asking other people to alter their behaviour, even though it doesn't even need to impact you.

Edit: I don't mean to seem like I'm having a go at you and if my message came across that way, I apologise. I think my point is that, whilst I understand where you're coming from, it does seem as if you're taking people to task for discussing this issue.

Wonkette is occasionally unkind to people of the Republican persuasion. Occasionally. But there are times, like this week in the wake of the Orlando shootings, when we all need to be a little more human, even to people we disagree with. (Unless they're being evil dicks ABOUT the Orlando shootings, in which case f*** them.)



That said, I found it was a great speech - really what needed to be said.

I agree 100%.