More than 50 shot to death, multiple injuries in Orlando Mass Shooting at Downtown Gay Bar

[fsquid]

Bill O'Reilly is a freakin' idiot

He's a business man like all the other pundits

[Adam White]

It's probably a bit too soon for any of us to try to reach conclusions about the gunman's motivation(s).

As I was saying...

[Jumpinjack]

^ Your are right. I don't think the media is able to focus on the deeper and more uncomfortable realities of bigotry and homophobic hatred and the soaring American gun violence. It is so much easier to give a breathless 3 minute analysis on someone's ISIS posts than analyze why one day ago gun manufacturer stocks increased in value.

[acme54321]

And of course, a fundamentalist denomination is a perfect environment to mask bipolarism.  The extremes of emotion have a ready explanation, and often times, the behavior associated with bipolarism is interpreted (and rewarded) as being more spiritually in touch and/or closer to God.

I'd bet a lot of these radicals that commit these crimes have deep underlying psychological or emotional issues.  They could be plain crazy like the Aurora-Newtown-Tucson shooters but use their religion as justification for their killings.  They could also be hate filled for whatever reason and use their beliefs to commit these acts (and in their minds be rewarded) where most people that have that much hate wouldn't.

[Adam White]

^ Your are right. I don't think the media is able to focus on the deeper and more uncomfortable realities of bigotry and homophobic hatred and the soaring American gun violence. It is so much easier to give a breathless 3 minute analysis on someone's ISIS posts than analyze why one day ago gun manufacturer stocks increased in value.

I think people feel the need for there to be one, tidy 'answer' that explains everything. The world is rarely so cut and dry.

[acme54321]

And of course, a fundamentalist denomination is a perfect environment to mask bipolarism.  The extremes of emotion have a ready explanation, and often times, the behavior associated with bipolarism is interpreted (and rewarded) as being more spiritually in touch and/or closer to God.

I'd bet a lot of these radicals that commit these crimes have deep underlying psychological or emotional issues.  They could be plain crazy like the Aurora-Newtown-Tucson shooters but use their religion as justification for their killings.  They could also be hate filled for whatever reason and use their beliefs to commit these acts (and in their minds be rewarded) where most people that have that much hate wouldn't.

Except there is no evidence that shows him to be a radical.  Or religious.

There is a lot of evidence showing him to be bipolar, closeted gay, and a homophobe.

And of course, he's an American.

Closeted gay men beat, maim, and kill (sometimes brutally) gay men all the time, acme

I guess him telling the police over 911 that he was pledging his support to ISIS and the boston bombers doesn't count?

[Adam White]

And of course, a fundamentalist denomination is a perfect environment to mask bipolarism.  The extremes of emotion have a ready explanation, and often times, the behavior associated with bipolarism is interpreted (and rewarded) as being more spiritually in touch and/or closer to God.

I'd bet a lot of these radicals that commit these crimes have deep underlying psychological or emotional issues.  They could be plain crazy like the Aurora-Newtown-Tucson shooters but use their religion as justification for their killings.  They could also be hate filled for whatever reason and use their beliefs to commit these acts (and in their minds be rewarded) where most people that have that much hate wouldn't.

Except there is no evidence that shows him to be a radical.  Or religious.

There is a lot of evidence showing him to be bipolar, closeted gay, and a homophobe.

And of course, he's an American.

Closeted gay men beat, maim, and kill (sometimes brutally) gay men all the time, acme

I guess him telling the police over 911 that he was pledging his support to ISIS and the boston bombers doesn't count?

I wouldn't say it doesn't count - but I'd argue that it's a bit premature to say that was his motivation for the attacks.

[The_Choose_1]

Bill O'Reilly is a freakin' idiot

Agreed 100% & Fox News acts a lot like Inside Edition.

[acme54321]

And of course, a fundamentalist denomination is a perfect environment to mask bipolarism.  The extremes of emotion have a ready explanation, and often times, the behavior associated with bipolarism is interpreted (and rewarded) as being more spiritually in touch and/or closer to God.

I'd bet a lot of these radicals that commit these crimes have deep underlying psychological or emotional issues.  They could be plain crazy like the Aurora-Newtown-Tucson shooters but use their religion as justification for their killings.  They could also be hate filled for whatever reason and use their beliefs to commit these acts (and in their minds be rewarded) where most people that have that much hate wouldn't.

Except there is no evidence that shows him to be a radical.  Or religious.

There is a lot of evidence showing him to be bipolar, closeted gay, and a homophobe.

And of course, he's an American.

Closeted gay men beat, maim, and kill (sometimes brutally) gay men all the time, acme

I guess him telling the police over 911 that he was pledging his support to ISIS and the boston bombers doesn't count?

I wouldn't say it doesn't count - but I'd argue that it's a bit premature to say that was his motivation for the attacks.

Sure, but it probably has something to do with it.  More than likely it's a combination of all the things mentioned here.

[Adam White]

And of course, a fundamentalist denomination is a perfect environment to mask bipolarism.  The extremes of emotion have a ready explanation, and often times, the behavior associated with bipolarism is interpreted (and rewarded) as being more spiritually in touch and/or closer to God.

I'd bet a lot of these radicals that commit these crimes have deep underlying psychological or emotional issues.  They could be plain crazy like the Aurora-Newtown-Tucson shooters but use their religion as justification for their killings.  They could also be hate filled for whatever reason and use their beliefs to commit these acts (and in their minds be rewarded) where most people that have that much hate wouldn't.

Except there is no evidence that shows him to be a radical.  Or religious.

There is a lot of evidence showing him to be bipolar, closeted gay, and a homophobe.

And of course, he's an American.

Closeted gay men beat, maim, and kill (sometimes brutally) gay men all the time, acme

I guess him telling the police over 911 that he was pledging his support to ISIS and the boston bombers doesn't count?

I wouldn't say it doesn't count - but I'd argue that it's a bit premature to say that was his motivation for the attacks.

Sure, but it probably has something to do with it.  More than likely it's a combination of all the things mentioned here.

I don't know - and as I think we've learned, it's probably best not to make too many assumptions.

Assuming he was radicalised, I guess we'd have to wonder if a) his religious views led him to commit an atrocity that he might not have normally committed as a garden-variety bigot or b) if his homophobia drove him to commit a terrorist act that he normally wouldn't have considered committing (even as a 'radicalised' muslim). Or if perhaps it was a combination of both - or maybe neither.

Again - people want easy answers. Maybe there aren't any.

[spuwho]

Bill O'Reilly is a freakin' idiot

Agreed 100% & Fox News acts a lot like Inside Edition.

I have been traveling alot lately, what does Bill O'Reilly and Fox have to do with the killings in Orlando? 

He wasnt there as far as I know.

[finehoe]

He wasnt there as far as I know.

When has that ever been a condition for him to bloviate on a subject?

[Adam White]

He wasnt there as far as I know.

When has that ever been a condition for him to bloviate on a subject?

I wish he would've been there. Maybe he would've caught a bullet and someone decent might've lived.

[Flash60]

FOR SHAME.

http://jacksonville.com/news/florida/2016-06-15/story/northeast-florida-republicans-say-it-not-appropriate-discuss-changes

Northeast Florida Republicans say it is not 'appropriate' to discuss changes in state gun laws
By Tia Mitchell  Wed, Jun 15, 2016 @ 3:30 pm | updated Wed, Jun 15, 2016 @ 3:34 pm

The aftermath of the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history is "not the appropriate time to create or debate public policy," according to a statement from 11 Republicans representing Northeast Florida in the Legislature.

The three senators and eight representatives issued a joint statement Wednesday in response to questions sent by The Florida Times-Union to the entire delegation about the need for certain controls on gun sales and their response to calls from Democratic colleagues to bring the issue up for debate as soon as the Legislature can convene.

Two of the three Democratic lawmakers in the Northeast Florida did respond.

State Rep. Mia Jones and Sen Audrey Gibson, both of Jacksonville, answered "yes" to the following questions:

Do you think people who are or have been on the terrorism watch list should be banned from purchasing guns in Florida?

Do you support closing loopholes in Florida that allow people to purchase guns without background checks, such as person-to-person purchases?

Do you think there should be a ban on the sale of assault rifles?

The fourth question was an open-ended one asking lawmakers to say whether they felt that now, in the wake of the of 49 deaths in Orlando, was the time to discuss policy.

The 11 lawmakers who signed the joint statement are: Sen. Rob Bradley, R-Fleming Island; Sen. Aaron Bean, R-Fernandina Beach; Sen. Travis Hutson, R-Elkton; Rep. Janet Adkins, R-Fernadina Beach; Rep. Travis Cummings, R-Fleming Island; Rep. Jay Fant, R-Jacksonville; Rep. Charles McBurney, R-Jacksonville; Rep. Lake Ray, R-Jacksonville; Rep. Paul Renner, R-Palm Coast; Rep. Cyndi Stevenson, R-St. Johns; Rep. Charles Van Zant, R-Keystone.

Rep. Reggie Fullwood, D-Jacksonville, did not respond.

[thelakelander]

There's a pretty large discussion taking place on this topic in Skyscraperpage's current events section. It provides some perspective from how the rest of the country is reacting to the mass shooting. However, you have to be a member to view that section of the discussion board. Anyway, the Adkins guy isn't alone in saying some silly things about a tragedy.

Pastor Applauds Shooting Hours After Orlando Massacre

SACRAMENTO, Calif.  -- A few short hours after 49 people were gunned down at a gay club in Orlando, Florida, Pastor Roger Jimenez delivered his sermon from his Sacramento pulpit.

"Hey, are you sad that 50 pedophiles were killed today? No ... I think that's great. I think that helps society.  I think Orlando, Florida's a little safer tonight," he said to the crowd of believers in front of him.

A link on his church's Facebook page, Verity Baptist Church,  directed viewers to the sermon on YouTube.

"It is unnatural for a man to be attracted to another man," he said as he preached for more than an hour.

"The tragedy is that more of them didn't die," he said.

http://fox2now.com/2016/06/14/baptist-pastor-on-orlando-attack-are-you-sad-that-50-pedophiles-were-killed-today/