commentary on climate change denialism.

[I-10east]

A mayor of Jax (Republican) isn't coming to a Democratic debate, SHOCKA!!

Climate change in a nutshell, ABL covered it well below. Fascist Bill Nye thinks that Jax officials should be jailed apparently...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZaOob81gX8&index=7&list=LLGFCFKtTx44t9RkruI2F0TQ

[UNFurbanist]

Yeah, have to say that video was one of the most incoherent things I've ever had the misfortune of watching. I think my IQ actually dropped on that one. The denialism thing is rediculous and as you can tell by the video pretty much relegated to the 9/11 or moon walking conspiracy theorists (republicans). Only thing I tell deniers is to go to http://climate.nasa.gov and read the overwhelming evidence. If it still doesn't convince you then there isn't much help. I guess if you go to the beach and stick your head in the sand long enough the tide will eventually drown you. That's still many Americans' strategy today. As far as criminal charges against deniers go, obviously I think charging your lay individual who denies climate change with some kind of crime is crazy. However, what Bill is talking about are those who are paid by the fossil fuel industry to essentially falsely testify at congressional hearings and perpetuate false facts to the public at large. Those are the ones who could face charges of some kind. They knowingly lie for profit and to protect the industry. It is exactly the tactics from the tobacco playbook and in some cases are the exact same people. I'm not sure who can be both a cancer expert and climatologist but somehow the fossil fuel industry is really great at getting the best and brightest 

[spuwho]

I dont debate the metrics, they are obvious.

What brings the discussion to the basement is when you try to have a good breakout on causes and effects.



Then everything goes to hell in a handbasket.

People either get all emotional about it or it degrades into who's report got discredited and the shouting begins.

Some people are so entrenched in some perspective they refuse to consider other causes and effects as part of the discussion.

[spuwho]

But at least some people are willing to sit down and listen to the Moon conspiracy theorists and what the basis of their arguments are.

On global weather, in most cases I cant even get the Goldilocks or Humpty Dumpty set to open their minds.

I dont ask them to be so open minded that they lose all sense of rational thought, at times I feel like I am talking to a religious zealot, who only knows what they believe, but cant think beyond their nose on other possibilities.

[RattlerGator]

Good Lord, what an embarrassing joke. The global warming hucksters, who previously were in bed with the coming global freeze, have now taken refuge in "climate change" (climate has been changing since time immemorial, and forever will, until Earth becomes -- for example -- Mars from naturally-occurring causes).

[Adam White]

I fail to see why anyone makes an issue of climate change. If it's not actually happening - if AGW or whatever people call it isn't a real thing - then okay - no harm, no foul. In the scheme of things, it's no biggie. If it IS real, then doing something about it is the obvious right choice.

This is like Pascal's wager - except it's far more relevant and has actual consequences.

[Adam White]

The same reason that it was considered 'political' to say there was a link between smoking and lung cancer back in the nineties.

I don't know if you are old enough to remember the spittle spraying angry white guys who would (literally) yell about 'moonbeam' liberals (that was the phrase back then, for some reason) and their so called 'medicine'---which they claimed was a conspiracy to keep cancer research funded.

Of course it was just all bullshit funded by the tobacco companies, who were afraid of losing their asses if tobacco went illegal in the US.

But then they discovered Chinese markets, paid their lumps for all the lung cancer they got sued for, and now no one thinks its political to think that smoking causes lung cancer.

During the 'debate' though......god... people were tiresome.

Yes, moonbeam or moonbat. I much prefer that to libtard, personally.

[I-10east]

dumb.  just dumb as a bag of hammers.

Exactly what's said when a person doesn't have a leg to stand on.

[I-10east]

So what's truly the solution (none with the New Yorker) beside a bunch of political rhetoric that's lucrative to a certain party??  *crickets*

[I-10east]

So what do I do?? I have yet to hear any solutions from the Church of Climate Change.

[I-10east]

^^^My point is that there is nothing we can do about this supposed (and I'm REALLY putting emphasis on supposed) Doomsday Great Flood. There were so many failed forecasts of this big flood, just like the Mayan 2012 thing.

I think that it climate change is a bunch of BS, but even if I'm wrong, there isn't a damn thing that you or I could do about it. Clearly the US isn't serious, outsourcing carbon to China and India among others. Just it case you didn't know, the earth is one place (speaking in your way of thinking) the ozone layer in China is the same as the US. 

[I-10east]

Why are you insinuating that I don't know the climate change position? It's really not that difficult to understand. I'm sorry, but the climate change theory is a political thing.

Speaking from a climate change position (if I believed it) alternative energy isn't enough, we still need to use fossil fuels (not that I want to). All that I can do is be as green as possible; Will that stop other countries from polluting? No. Liberals are so fixated on the US (which isn't serious bout climate change like I said) but other countries are doing very great damage.

[Josh]

Did someone seriously just compare climate change to the Mayan calendar? I'm not sure what opinion is worse; that, or the fact that there is nothing humans can do about an entirely human-created set of circumstances.

[I-10east]

^^^Well try reading this, pretty much like the Mayans...

http://climatechangepredictions.org/

[spuwho]

Did someone seriously just compare climate change to the Mayan calendar? I'm not sure what opinion is worse; that, or the fact that there is nothing humans can do about an entirely human-created set of circumstances.

Not all climate change is caused by humans. We can address what humans do, but there may be some outside our control.