Jesse Helms Dead.

[vicupstate]

that is ironic.  but, it begs a few other questions.

so...was Arthur Finkelstein "racist" also by designing the ad?  interesting question.  or was he just "morally sick" by accepting work with which he morally disagreed with?  or perhaps the ad wasn't wrong at all and was just jumped on by the left as "racist" as so often happens at election time.  btw, Mr. Helms was my senior senator until 1999.

Mr. Finkelstein would have to say what his motivations were, but I find it telling that a member of one discriminated minority group would help oppress a different one.  

They say confession is good for the soul, so I guess I might as well confess something.  The truth shall set you free.

In 1984, during my card-carrying GOP years, I gave $25 or so to Mr. Helms' campaign.   There, I said it.  Well, wrote it, I guess.  Robert Byrd isn't the only person to align himself with entities that he later regretted associating with.  May Jim Hunt and God almighty forgive me.      

[Driven1]

umm...are you serious?  That is not intelligent.  diminishes absolutely nothing of Christ's argument.

you included what i supposedly "left out" in your original posting of 5:18 and 5:19.  here it is all together now....

17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

[Driven1]

that is ironic.  but, it begs a few other questions.

so...was Arthur Finkelstein "racist" also by designing the ad?  interesting question.  or was he just "morally sick" by accepting work with which he morally disagreed with?  or perhaps the ad wasn't wrong at all and was just jumped on by the left as "racist" as so often happens at election time.  btw, Mr. Helms was my senior senator until 1999.

Mr. Finkelstein would have to say what his motivations were, but I find it telling that a member of one discriminated minority group would help oppress a different one.  

They say confession is good for the soul, so I guess I might as well confess something.  The truth shall set you free.

In 1984, during my card-carrying GOP years, I gave $25 or so to Mr. Helms' campaign.   There, I said it.  Well, wrote it, I guess.  Robert Byrd isn't the only person to align himself with entities that he later regretted associating with.  May Jim Hunt and God almighty forgive me.      

lol - i'm with you vic...

[RiversideGator]

Here is a relevant New Testament passage. 

Romans 1: 18-32:

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

   19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

   20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

   21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

   22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

   23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

   24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

   25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

   26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

   27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

   28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

   29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

   30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

   31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

   32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults2.php?passage1=Romans+1&book_id=52&version1=9&tp=16&c=1

Note that this passage contains admonitions that apply to us all, not just people engaging in homosexual behavior.  But the fact remains that homosexual behavior is a sin.

[Driven1]

In fact, Paul advocates TOTAL chastity.

you are correct - but he immediately says that is his opinion, not the Lord's commandment.  i can't think of another matter where he makes this distinction, so clearly, TOTAL chastity is not a command.  plus, "go forth and multiply".

[Driven1]

great driven.  Now yer talkin.

So explain how Jesus left that message and how it squares with your weird claims of a 'new covenant' that allows you to break all of the inconvenient bacon and bowel movement 'commandments' of the scriptures?

lol- weird claims of a "new convenant".   i thought you had gone to First Baptist at some point??  

anyway - read 1 Corinthians chapter 13 and gather an understanding of "all things are permissible, but not all things are beneficial" for the believer and how that relates to the old food laws.

[Driven1]

So some of what Paul had to say was 'opinion'?
Well on this we can agree.

yep - as i said - on exactly one item (I guess that counts as "some") - Paul personally advocated TOTAL chastity.    careful not to pick and choose again.

[vicupstate]

Yes, and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 infringed on 'States Rights'.  The GOP always has at least SOME rationale, weak as it may be, to justify their code words.               

May I remind you that a greater percentage of Republicans voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act than did Democrats.   

After Goldwater got trounsed running against civil rights, only 1/3 of the Congress was GOP, nearly all of them from outside the South.  Afterwards southern Democrats became Republicans in the ensuing years.     

The 'quotas' weren't found to be unconstitutional until later when the SP changed precedent.   They had been in place in Helms' prior races too.  He didn't run campaign ads about them prior to '90 though because his opponents weren't themselves minorities. 
 

So, if your opponent is a black man you cannot mention the fact that you oppose reverse racism and he supports it?  Interesting standards you have, vic.

Why didn't he run ads when he had white opponents that supported Affirmative Action?

Sorry, inflaming racial tensions for political gain is racist.  Unfortunately, the GOP continues to play from that hymn book too, witness the 2006 Tennessee Senate race. 

Another canard.



I didn't think you would have a legitimate reply to that one.  The old 'every black man wants a white woman' issue hasn't been addresses by the Supreme Court I guess.

Homosexuality  - a sin --  in your opinion, not mine.  BTW, is racism a sin?  Has anyone born in the last 2000 years not sinned?  Have you sinned?   Certainly NOT, that would put you in the same class as those despicable HOMOSEXUALS !!

Racism is a sin just as homosexual conduct is a sin.  And, I have sinned as have all people on this Earth.  The difference is I dont pretend that my sins are not sins.

No, you just point out the sins of others, instead of concerning yourself with your own. 

Hey, if Crist can change his mind about gay marriage, surely you have to at least CONSIDER it.   Who is he marrying anyway, Liza Minnelli??

Crist is hardly my guiding light.   

So does that mean you won't vote GOP if he is the VP nominee? 

[Driven1]

And this will somehow make Jesus UNSAY his bit from Matthews?

he has no need to.  all those not in Christ are still condemned under ALL of the law (including the weird food laws).  remember - Corinthians was addressed to believers there. 

[Driven1]

stephen - you seem to have a lot of questions.

maybe you are "seeking" right now.

if you would like to join, i'm starting to lead a Bible study entitled "Pride & Humility".  we will surely take the time to answer any questions you may have.  we would love for you to join us.

[obie1]

I never thought I'd see the day that there is any dispute bout Helms but here i am in the minority. No pun intended. I can't wait to get outta Jax i once had hope for this place but i am embarrassed to say i am from here and tired of fighting the bigoted jerks. As soon we are able we are out of here. Floriduh can secede. cya!!

[RiversideGator]

I never thought I'd see the day that there is any dispute bout Helms but here i am in the minority. No pun intended. I can't wait to get outta Jax i once had hope for this place but i am embarrassed to say i am from here and tired of fighting the bigoted jerks. As soon we are able we are out of here. Floriduh can secede. cya!!

Goodbye!   

[Driven1]

I never thought I'd see the day that there is any dispute bout Helms but here i am in the minority. No pun intended. I can't wait to get outta Jax i once had hope for this place but i am embarrassed to say i am from here and tired of fighting the bigoted jerks. As soon we are able we are out of here. Floriduh can secede. cya!!

no kidding obie1.  i know how you feel.  i came here in 1999 and it took a while to get adjusted.  i manage now, but it's not ideal.  not like being back up north, huh?  

[RiversideGator]

Thanks for the offer!

It certainly sounds like you probably need to do some more studying on the subject, or maybe Im just confused at the multiple opposing things you are trying to say and automatically assuming that they are contradictions.

I would love to join you, as it would be especially interesting to hear your thoughts on both pride and humility, im sure they are engrossing.

Hopefully we could find the answers in the scripture together, as I don't really have much left to question regarding the scriptures, although i am endlessly interested in how other people interpret them.

Just let me know.

Maybe you can bring the beer kegs, Stephen.   

[RiversideGator]

Gosh, I wish I was an intellectual like you Stephen.