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Duval County Map 1898

Started by BridgeTroll, January 26, 2016, 03:35:59 PM

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Tacachale

#30
February 10, 2016, 03:38:58 PM
Quote from: stephendare on February 10, 2016, 03:30:44 PM
http://www.westlinnhistory.org/West_Linn_Historical_Society/History/Entries/2015/5/6_Crossing_the_River_-_Before_There_Were_Bridges.html

obviously, Bridge Troll. 

The Bartram Journals specifically called it the Cow Ford Ferry line.  The river was still shallow enough that the current wasn't too strong to make the straightest line possible, and it took an experienced person with that part of the river to cross it.

Surely no one thought that the cows were being walked across.?

Well, it's what "ford" means.
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David

#31
February 15, 2017, 11:04:56 PM
Regarding the map: I like the ad for "Fire Insurance" at the bottom. The great fire of 1901 was an inside job!

BridgeTroll

#32
February 16, 2017, 05:29:30 AM
Quote from: David on February 15, 2017, 11:04:56 PM
Regarding the map: I like the ad for "Fire Insurance" at the bottom. The great fire of 1901 was an inside job!


The ads are awesome...
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

spuwho

#33
February 16, 2017, 07:54:32 AM
From some of history books I have read, the St Johns current was not very swift until they dredged the river after the Civil War.

The southbank was somewhat swampy and it gradually entered the river with the main original channel closer to the northbank.

In fact the first dredging increased the current so much it caused erosion on St Johns Bluff and parts of it fell in until they installed some rip rap to stop it.

Many think this is when the earthen remains of Ft Caroline were washed away.

So its possible at the time cattle could wade through the shallow parts of the southbank and then swim the narrow channel. With the currents so slow at the time, there was little threat to losing them.

When I lived in Chicago I read that they used to bring cattle over Wolf Point on the Chicago River. If you saw Wolf Point today you would say its not possible. But the currents back then were very slow and the banks very gradual. All the modifications by man have changed it so much its hard to tell just how rural it used to be.

Adam White

#34
February 16, 2017, 08:25:14 AM
What's the deal with Cecilville? It's up near Hidden Hills, yet there's no way it's Hidden Hills. Is it an area that was platted out but never developed? I grew up near there and don't think there are any streets laid out in a grid pattern.
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camarocane

#35
February 16, 2017, 08:53:39 AM
Apparently Chamblin's is on the site of an old boarding school. "The Froebel Academy"

lastdaysoffla

#36
February 18, 2017, 01:56:01 PM
I read in my research about a hand drawn map of the Mandarin area by Harriet Beecher Stowe. I think it was included in her book Palmetto Leaves. I have yet to pick up the book or find a picture of said map online. Anybody got a lead?

acme54321

#37
February 19, 2017, 09:05:50 PM
Quote from: Adam White on February 16, 2017, 08:25:14 AM
What's the deal with Cecilville? It's up near Hidden Hills, yet there's no way it's Hidden Hills. Is it an area that was platted out but never developed? I grew up near there and don't think there are any streets laid out in a grid pattern.

Yeah there are a number of areas on the map like that.  Check out Bayard.

BridgeTroll

#38
June 12, 2019, 10:48:14 AM
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

BridgeTroll

#39
April 08, 2023, 08:14:20 AM
Thought I might bump this old thread for our new folks... Duval County 1898... courtesy of the Library of Congress...

https://www.loc.gov/resource/g3933d.la000075/?r=0.038,-0.042,0.857,1.003,0
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

Snaketoz

#40
April 08, 2023, 10:35:18 AM
Thanks for posting BT.  I enjoy looking at these old maps.  2 and 3 digit phone numbers in the ads.  Main St was Pine. No Heckscher Dr., Not  much of anything.
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BridgeTroll

#41
April 08, 2023, 07:48:55 PM
A person could spend some time going over that map. From the various ads around the edges to some of the finer points when you zoom in...
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

jaxlongtimer

#42
April 08, 2023, 10:52:31 PM
Amazing how few of the roads, geographic names and businesses lived to the present day.  I did note the Florida Times Union and the recently demised Jacobs Jewelers as the only modern survivors from the ads.  Most of today's roads either do not match up to the roads of yesteryear, were substantially altered and/or were renamed.

Interestingly, the map denotes the home, among others, of Harriet Beecher Stowe on the Mandarin riverfront.

Looks like there were two railroads to the beaches in the day, one of which went to Mayport, as discussed in another recent thread.

duvaltilidie

#43
April 11, 2023, 12:17:00 PM
A map like this is why I've been coming to this website & forums for so many years, just.. wow. You can see where modern day Park & Post Street is, along with Riverside Park, although it's blank. I wish there was more history on 5 Points.. not just the Park Street side, but the Post Street side, too. I'd always heard that the Corner Taco, which I grew up in when my Grandmother & Uncle ran it as 5 Points Deli, was either a bookstore or a library before becoming a deli. All these years, I've never been able to find anything on it.

jaxlongtimer

#44
April 11, 2023, 02:13:05 PM
Quote from: duvaltilidie on April 11, 2023, 12:17:00 PM
A map like this is why I've been coming to this website & forums for so many years, just.. wow. You can see where modern day Park & Post Street is, along with Riverside Park, although it's blank. I wish there was more history on 5 Points.. not just the Park Street side, but the Post Street side, too. I'd always heard that the Corner Taco, which I grew up in when my Grandmother & Uncle ran it as 5 Points Deli, was either a bookstore or a library before becoming a deli. All these years, I've never been able to find anything on it.

Duval, if you go into the "History" tab of the Forum archives, you will find a number of other historical maps of the area.  Unfortunately, without a search function, you need to just scroll through all the thread headings to find posted maps.  Here is one I found below to get you started that happens to include the area you are interested in plus some links to more maps:
Quote1864 & 1918 Maps of Jax, Springfield, Brooklyn/Riverside, Mandarin, Beaches, Etc

https://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,4663.0.html
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