Live Blog: HRO Meeting at Ed Waters. Dec. 3 2015

[TheCat]

Very funny to me. The argument, and fear, that the church will be forced to accept the worlds ways is so counter to Jesus.

It seems whenever the disciples tried to protect their rights or stop Jesus' death they were scolded, Jesus even called Peter the devil for his action to stop his death.

I have to go. My apologies.

[Charles Hunter]

Yes, each Town Hall has a topic.
The first was Families.
The second,  tonight, was Faith Communities.
The third, on the 15th at JU, will be about business.

Sorry, you had to leave, you were capturing the comments well.

[tufsu1]

Rabbi Lief discusses that homosexuality as an abomination not a sin. He then says, if you have had a ham sandwich you have committed the same level of abomination as someone who has had gay sex.

the pork reference is literally one sentence after the homosexuality (men only btw) reference in the Old Testament....so they are pretty much equal offenses.

[Bill Hoff]

And I literally just ate a piece of ham.

Now you tell me  : /

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

And I literally just ate a piece of ham.

Now you tell me  : /

Quick, go find a dude and have some angry, repentance sex and get them both out in confessional tomorrow.  You'll be just fine.

(Not really sure how the forgiveness part works in Judaism)

[tufsu1]

And I literally just ate a piece of ham.

Now you tell me  : /

Quick, go find a dude and have some angry, repentance sex and get them both out in confessional tomorrow.  You'll be just fine.

(Not really sure how the forgiveness part works in Judaism)

sorry, but both acts are punishable by being stoned to death.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

And I literally just ate a piece of ham.

Now you tell me  : /

Quick, go find a dude and have some angry, repentance sex and get them both out in confessional tomorrow.  You'll be just fine.

(Not really sure how the forgiveness part works in Judaism)

sorry, but both acts are punishable by being stoned to death.

The Torah never made it out of the Old Testament and into the "New Age" parts about forgiveness and repentance and turning the other cheek and stuff? 

[Spitfire]

They already have protection. No church is forced to accept gay members. No pastor/religious official is forced to marry a gay couple. It's all covered under the First Amendment.

[Charles Hunter]

But the Liberty Council guy said there are gay agitators out the just waited for this to pass, so they can file lawsuits to shut down churches.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

But the Liberty Council guy said there are gay agitators out the just waited for this to pass, so they can file lawsuits to shut down churches.

Aren't these the same people that also say the transgender people are eagerly awaiting passage of this so they can go to the women's restroom to commit assault.

[Tacachale]

But the Liberty Council guy said there are gay agitators out the just waited for this to pass, so they can file lawsuits to shut down churches.

He was a bad guy actually.  and got very defensive and slandered the Southern Poverty Law Center for way too long before the moderator intervened.

He spent most of his time deliberately lying about the public accommodation clauses in the law (if your church gets a single penny of public money for a lunch program for vacation bible school, you could be sued under the ordinance----total lie) and doing his best to scare the poop out of the church members present.

I thoroughly dressed him down in person after the presentation was over.

Man I wish I could have seen that.

[TheCat]

Arash were you getting a wifi signal during the event?  I saw you down in the front corner after i seated, and we yelled down to you when you walked by but you didn't hear us!

I used my phone as a hotspot.

[dbjax]

He spent most of his time deliberately lying about the public accommodation clauses in the law (if your church gets a single penny of public money for a lunch program for vacation bible school, you could be sued under the ordinance----total lie) and doing his best to scare the poop out of the church members present.

I thoroughly dressed him down in person after the presentation was over.

Stephen -

I have now attended both conversations and thought last night's was extremely telling.  Both Pastor Torin and Rabbi Leif gave very coherent, reasoned statements in support of the HRO, explaining that faith can coexist with individual freedoms, and respect and love for all is the true intention for God's people. Conversely, both Rev. Edwards and Roger G took the tone that it wasn't God's original plan and His word cannot change. It was sweet irony that Rev. Edwards stated "We don't want their behavior shoved in our faces" (paraphrased).

I'd really appreciate a discussion on the public accommodation laws as it relates here, especially as you state that he was deliberately lying (which I happen agree with). I went to Google to get more info and came across this article:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/04/public-accommodations-and-private-discrimination/390435/

Thoughts?

Thanks for being there.