90 Million more to be spent on Everbank Stadium?

[Ocklawaha]

Well Stephen, MJ is after all a dialectic-hydraulic-interpretation press, which could press an indefinite number of meanings out of any text or municipal proposal, an apparatus for constructing fictions, and a hair-splitting machine that could divide a single hair into 999,999 equal parts and, when manipulated by our esteemed posters, could split each of these parts again into 999,999 equal parts. such debates are open to all MJ regulars and to our guests provided they drink the Lethean draught known to induce forgetfulness of terrestrial human affairs, so as to be properly programmed by our opined little band.

[E_Dubya]

How many development projects end up identical to the plans? I'm sure in the agreement with the City, they were given some lattitude for the creative process.

[RattlerGator]

So, Stephen, is the party sending the eMail insisting on anonymity? If not, why not name them? If so, why are they so skurred? They're bad enough to be catty and unimpressed at a $45 million gift -- let 'em step on out wit they bad self 'n stand tall, so to speak.

[Adam White]

So, Stephen, is the party sending the eMail insisting on anonymity? If not, why not name them? If so, why are they so skurred? They're bad enough to be catty and unimpressed at a $45 million gift -- let 'em step on out wit they bad self 'n stand tall, so to speak.

It's possible the comment was off the record.

[Marle Brando]

I hope no one thought what was released earlier in the process was the actual final rendering. How many times, even as recent as 'The District' on the Southbank have we seen something announced with preliminary design before an actual scale and scope rendering is later made available. No news here..moving right along. Some people just hate billionaires with a passion, enough to make a non-story a story.

[RattlerGator]

I hope no one thought what was released earlier in the process was the actual final rendering. How many times, even as recent as 'The District' on the Southbank have we seen something announced with preliminary design before an actual scale and scope rendering is later made available. No news here..moving right along. Some people just hate billionaires with a passion, enough to make a non-story a story.

Exactly. Exhibit A -- stephendare. I only asked re anonymity because I seem to recall stephen questioning someone on the board (whoisjohngalt?) about anonymity.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Shad Khan employing a 'bait and switch' deal for amiptheater millions?
This came via email from a reader.

I was at the Economic Roundtable Luncheon today and Mark Lamping showed a brand new video of the proposed practice field amphitheater and it looked completely different.  It was a short video with lots of fancy effects but I could still tell the original design they sold to the city was much more cutting edge (expensive) utilizing a curvilinear lattice structure and what was shown today was a standard steel truss structure with some kind of fabric on top.  He said they'd be officially released to the public Thursday.

But when a poster on the site says otherwise, his observation gets dismissed.

So now were not even dealing with anonymous screennames, but have have to keep track of super-anonymous, emailed sources. 

Hmmm.....

I was at the same presentation.  I thought the design was fantastic.  Is it the same as the preliminary drawings?  NO, but I never expected it to be.  Regardless, I think everyone will be very impressed (although I am certain there will be plenty of MetroJax posters who will be overly critical).  The video unveiled yesterday will be shown at Friday's state of the franchise address.

and as usual there will probably be metrojax posters who are wildly credulous and overly uncritical.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

I guess this little nugget from my FB lends some obvious to the topic de jour:

http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2016/01/27/soccer-stadium-renderings-design-changes

Often an early rendering simply exists to present a big idea. But then the "budget gets real, program requirements get real, site constraints get real, lots of new information or preferences or ideas owners might have evolve designs," Brown says....

[RattlerGator]

It is now and always has been childish to act as if projects are slaves to their initial renderings. Stephen knows that. And, for context, I thought this was a very encouraging article:

http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=546933

The city and the Jaguars have not discussed specifics about funding for cleanup and other infrastructure needs at the Shipyards site and along Bay Street.

"The city's investment should be what's sufficient to make the project a go," said Lamping.

However, he doesn't want to see the city waste money.

"It's better to not go forward than to go forward and fail," he said.

Rummell said The District's negotiations with the city could pave the way for an agreement on the Shipyards.

"The paperwork is getting straightened out as we go. He's going to have a piece of cake," Rummell said.

"We've come to realize that these things don't happen overnight," said Lamping.

"It's shockingly complex," he said. "To get it right is really sort of a difficult challenge."

However, Lamping does expect the Jaguars to eventually succeed in its development plans for the Shipyards.

"We're as confident as ever," he said.

Those two projects are complementary. The $90 million at the stadium should be seen the same way.

[hiddentrack]

Shad Khan employing a 'bait and switch' deal for amiptheater millions?
This came via email from a reader.

I was at the Economic Roundtable Luncheon today and Mark Lamping showed a brand new video of the proposed practice field amphitheater and it looked completely different.  It was a short video with lots of fancy effects but I could still tell the original design they sold to the city was much more cutting edge (expensive) utilizing a curvilinear lattice structure and what was shown today was a standard steel truss structure with some kind of fabric on top.  He said they'd be officially released to the public Thursday.

Layout-wise, the amphitheater looks the same as the second renderings that came out last month (see here).

So it seems the changes your emailer saw were to the practice field. I know there were people here critical of the exterior shown in the initial renderings. I think I remember complaint about how it might not be in compliance city ordinances. The changes to the exterior seems to settle that issue.

[KenFSU]

Here's the best set of renderings I've been able to find:

http://www.news4jax.com/sports/nfl/jaguars/new-renderings-of-everbank-field-improvements

Still not entire sure what I'm looking at.

[Marle Brando]

^Check out the state of the franchise presentation video on jaguars.com. Mark Lamping gave an explanation with slides as to what you are viewing in the pictures. The same set of Rene rings are also posted.

[thelakelander]

Shad Khan employing a 'bait and switch' deal for amiptheater millions?
This came via email from a reader.

I was at the Economic Roundtable Luncheon today and Mark Lamping showed a brand new video of the proposed practice field amphitheater and it looked completely different.  It was a short video with lots of fancy effects but I could still tell the original design they sold to the city was much more cutting edge (expensive) utilizing a curvilinear lattice structure and what was shown today was a standard steel truss structure with some kind of fabric on top.  He said they'd be officially released to the public Thursday.

The new design looks better than the original renderings, IMO.

[Steve]

^Just saw them - I agree. It's much more connected as one venue versus two. All of the features of the original renderings are included.

[KenFSU]

^Totally agree.

It looks better, and it seems much more functional as well.

Seems like they would need to break ground tomorrow to have it finished by August.