The next U.S. President will be elected by the U.S. Electoral College

Started by Cheshire Cat, November 04, 2015, 07:53:15 PM

Adam White

Quote from: BridgeTroll on November 06, 2015, 11:04:35 AM
Quote from: Adam White on November 06, 2015, 10:54:01 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on November 06, 2015, 10:40:44 AM
Quote from: Adam White on November 06, 2015, 10:16:45 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on November 06, 2015, 10:11:25 AM
I have no doubt you feel the way you do... but really... good luck with that.  Use the amendment process... even the founders used it with the first ten.  Scrap it for a better version... rofl... did you really say that??  ::)

I did indeed and I honestly believe that.

I know you do... your grandchildren will have died of old age before that happens...

Of course - Americans are strangely averse to admitting when they get something wrong or don't do something well.
The US Constitution may have flaws... but it certainly should not be "scrapped for a better version".  That most appear to lack the will to simply amend the objectionable parts is no reason to scrap and start over... in fact it shows amending is the best and easiest way to make changes you so long for...

Scrap, massively amend, whatever. It's all the same to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUl6PooveJE
"If you're going to play it out of tune, then play it out of tune properly."

Cheshire Cat

I am not in favor of scrapping the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.  I am however saying that the Electoral College no longer is an adequate measure of the independent voter.  Each and every vote should go directly to the person it is cast for.  This particular amendment no longer functions well in today's society and can be politically and financially manipulated.  This should not represent a challenge to party politics in that it does not impact their ability to interact on an open stage with the voters and earn their votes for their party or candidate.  The only people opposed to this would be those who would lament the control the Electoral College now presents in that there is no standard law from state to state regarding how the members of the college are elected or a lawful standard regarding how the electoral votes are cast.  That is not enough in today's world of politics. 
Diane Melendez
We're all mad here!

BridgeTroll

Quote from: Adam White on November 06, 2015, 11:21:33 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on November 06, 2015, 11:04:35 AM
Quote from: Adam White on November 06, 2015, 10:54:01 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on November 06, 2015, 10:40:44 AM
Quote from: Adam White on November 06, 2015, 10:16:45 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on November 06, 2015, 10:11:25 AM
I have no doubt you feel the way you do... but really... good luck with that.  Use the amendment process... even the founders used it with the first ten.  Scrap it for a better version... rofl... did you really say that??  ::)

I did indeed and I honestly believe that.

I know you do... your grandchildren will have died of old age before that happens...

Of course - Americans are strangely averse to admitting when they get something wrong or don't do something well.
The US Constitution may have flaws... but it certainly should not be "scrapped for a better version".  That most appear to lack the will to simply amend the objectionable parts is no reason to scrap and start over... in fact it shows amending is the best and easiest way to make changes you so long for...

Scrap, massively amend, whatever. It's all the same to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUl6PooveJE
I know Adam... baby=bathwater... its all dirty...rofl
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

BridgeTroll

Quote from: Cheshire Cat on November 06, 2015, 11:54:17 AM
I am not in favor of scrapping the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.  I am however saying that the Electoral College no longer is an adequate measure of the independent voter.  Each and every vote should go directly to the person it is cast for.  This particular amendment no longer functions well in today's society and can be politically and financially manipulated.  This should not represent a challenge to party politics in that it does not impact their ability to interact on an open stage with the voters and earn their votes for their party or candidate.  The only people opposed to this would be those who would lament the control the Electoral College now presents in that there is no standard law from state to state regarding how the members of the college are elected or a lawful standard regarding how the electoral votes are cast.  That is not enough in today's world of politics. 

I'm sure there is a landslide of "above average" voters like you to make this happen. I welcome it...
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

Cheshire Cat

Quote from: BridgeTroll on November 06, 2015, 12:15:52 PM
Quote from: Cheshire Cat on November 06, 2015, 11:54:17 AM
I am not in favor of scrapping the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.  I am however saying that the Electoral College no longer is an adequate measure of the independent voter.  Each and every vote should go directly to the person it is cast for.  This particular amendment no longer functions well in today's society and can be politically and financially manipulated.  This should not represent a challenge to party politics in that it does not impact their ability to interact on an open stage with the voters and earn their votes for their party or candidate.  The only people opposed to this would be those who would lament the control the Electoral College now presents in that there is no standard law from state to state regarding how the members of the college are elected or a lawful standard regarding how the electoral votes are cast.  That is not enough in today's world of politics. 

I'm sure there is a landslide of "above average" voters like you to make this happen. I welcome it...

It will not be a landslide of voters that will get this off the ground if it happens.  It will initially be public discourse and requests for changes made to the legislators of this nation.  As we all know that is a long convoluted process but one that would put the issue before all the voters.  The truth is that many simply do not understand our election process or the electoral college.  Once they do, I can imagine many may see the electoral voting system is not truly representative of individual votes.  What will happen going forward on this issue I haven't a clue.  I am only stating my opinion of the issue.  :)
Diane Melendez
We're all mad here!

The_Choose_1

Then it's over Hilliary Clinton is the winner and will become the first real Female President of The United States of America! ;D
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And each of these groups is giving Clinton, or whoever emerges as the Democratic candidate for the 2016 White House race, at least a two-to-one advantage over a Republican party whose brand has been badly tarnished.

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Diane Melendez
We're all mad here!


Tacachale

^I had no idea Digg was still around. I wonder what Friendster is up to.
Do you believe that when the blue jay or another bird sings and the body is trembling, that is a signal that people are coming or something important is about to happen?

BridgeTroll

In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

Cheshire Cat

BT, everyone know what Digg is about and the style in which they do things.  If you don't watch though you have no idea about the information it contained.  Tell you what, look at the presentation and tell me what is factually incorrect about what was shared. What was shared was factual, like the source or not.  :)



Diane Melendez
We're all mad here!

coredumped

Quote from: Tacachale on November 09, 2015, 10:42:42 PM
^I had no idea Digg was still around. I wonder what Friendster is up to.

Let me know on my MySpace page and I'll put you in my top 8.
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BridgeTroll

Quote from: Cheshire Cat on November 11, 2015, 11:25:44 AM
BT, everyone know what Digg is about and the style in which they do things.  If you don't watch though you have no idea about the information it contained.  Tell you what, look at the presentation and tell me what is factually incorrect about what was shared. What was shared was factual, like the source or not.  :)




Really CC?  When the article you site is titled..."Why The Electoral College Is Garbage"  it is.. in fact... prejudicial and propaganda not worthy of my time.  I'm sure it is chock full of "facts"... most propaganda is...  Here is a video for you... I'm sure you will remember this gem...lol

https://www.youtube.com/v/oyIFqf3XH24

In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

Tacachale

Quote from: BridgeTroll on November 12, 2015, 06:40:13 AM
Quote from: Cheshire Cat on November 11, 2015, 11:25:44 AM
BT, everyone know what Digg is about and the style in which they do things.  If you don't watch though you have no idea about the information it contained.  Tell you what, look at the presentation and tell me what is factually incorrect about what was shared. What was shared was factual, like the source or not.  :)




Really CC?  When the article you site is titled..."Why The Electoral College Is Garbage"  it is.. in fact... prejudicial and propaganda not worthy of my time.  I'm sure it is chock full of "facts"... most propaganda is...  Here is a video for you... I'm sure you will remember this gem...lol

https://www.youtube.com/v/oyIFqf3XH24

But on the upside, we all learned that digg still exists.
Do you believe that when the blue jay or another bird sings and the body is trembling, that is a signal that people are coming or something important is about to happen?