UF's QB Will Grier suspended for season after positive PED test

[Tacachale]

I believe the word RattlerGator used a few weeks ago was EPIC.  I questioned it, as the signs of offensive ineptitude were there then.  I have now seen live the "flagship" lose to their "baby sister" 11 times in 18 games (and some view the 1994 tie as a loss for UF), including 4 out of 6 in Gainesville since 1995.  And the current streak is 5 out of 6, and 3 straight in the swamp.

It's not considered the flagship university because of its football programme (which is probably a good thing).

UF and FSU are recognized as co-flagship universities in the state.

Sure they are.

But in order to avoid confusion, I shall re-word my comment as follows:

FSU has the better football programme. But UF is consistently ranked as the best university in the State by pretty much every organisation that ranks universities (though UM runs it pretty close).

There is no "flagship" status in Florida. It's a booster term that doesn't mean anything in the type of university system we have, where each university is essentially independent. Boosters in the state legislature periodically try to push through "flagship" status either for UF, or for both UF and FSU, but it has never come to anything. They did come up with a "research flagship" status, but it's limited to the area of research only, is judged by objective research benchmarks, and includes USF as well as UF and Florida State.

The "flagship" debate is really just another school rivalry point between these two schools, similar to their repeated attempts to be recognized as the "oldest" schools based dates that are essentially false.

I believe the College Board recognises UF as the State's flagship. Whether or not that means anything is anyone's guess.

Edit: http://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tables/2015-16-tuition-and-fees-flagship-universities-and-five-year-percentage-change

Yes, you can find some reports by third parties that do refer to UF, or sometimes UF and FSU, as "flagships". It's often done when they're trying to compare the "top" public school from each of the states, which always struck me as silly. Not all state university systems are comparable, and some states (Michigan, North Carolina, California) have multiple schools that outrank even the best schools in other states.

A few states do have flagship schools or campuses, and various others with strong systems have schools where the "prestige" programs and funding are concentrated, even if they don't use word "flagship". Florida is not one of those states.

[Adam White]

Yes, you can find some reports by third parties that do refer to UF, or sometimes UF and FSU, as "flagships". It's often done when they're trying to compare the "top" public school from each of the states, which always struck me as silly. Not all state university systems are comparable, and some states (Michigan, North Carolina, California) have multiple schools that outrank even the best schools in other states.

A few states do have flagship schools or campuses, and various others with strong systems have schools where the "prestige" programs and funding are concentrated, even if they don't use word "flagship". Florida is not one of those states.

Yes, I realise that. I think it's down to the fact that the term doesn't have a single meaning - or more accurately, is employed by a variety of different people in both official and unofficial capacities.

But we're getting away from my original post and the point behind it - which was not so much to denigrate FSU as to point out that the term doesn't really have anything to do with football. So yeah, FSU might beat the "flagship" a bunch at football, but that doesn't mean anything.

[Tacachale]

Yes, you can find some reports by third parties that do refer to UF, or sometimes UF and FSU, as "flagships". It's often done when they're trying to compare the "top" public school from each of the states, which always struck me as silly. Not all state university systems are comparable, and some states (Michigan, North Carolina, California) have multiple schools that outrank even the best schools in other states.

A few states do have flagship schools or campuses, and various others with strong systems have schools where the "prestige" programs and funding are concentrated, even if they don't use word "flagship". Florida is not one of those states.

Yes, I realise that. I think it's down to the fact that the term doesn't have a single meaning - or more accurately, is employed by a variety of different people in both official and unofficial capacities.

But we're getting away from my original post and the point behind it - which was not so much to denigrate FSU as to point out that the term doesn't really have anything to do with football. So yeah, FSU might beat the "flagship" a bunch at football, but that doesn't mean anything.

Yes, that is very true.

[MusicMan]

Come on Max. Louisville beats Kentucky on the road, Seminoles swamp the Gators at Jimbo Fisher Field in Ben Hill Griffin Stadium,
and Clemson wins at South Carolina.

We have to bury this "SEC is the Best" crap and realize, at least with those 3 programs, the ACC schools are all better, and by a significant margin.

[tufsu1]

FSU has the better football programme. But UF is consistently ranked as the best university in the State by pretty much every organisation that ranks universities (though UM runs it pretty close).

If only that were true.  Miami went past UF in the US New rankings (the primary source) several years ago.  And the newest rankings have them basically tied.  Take a look at the acceptance rates though.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/data

As to the flagship debate, I just repreated the term used by RattlerGator.  To support what Taccachale said, the Legislature bestowed the term "preeminence" on UF and FSU a few years ago.  It provides additional funding for the schools to hire top notch research faculty.

And, btw, here in the US, it is spelled "program"

[ProjectMaximus]

Come on Max. Louisville beats Kentucky on the road, Seminoles swamp the Gators at Jimbo Fisher Field in Ben Hill Griffin Stadium,
and Clemson wins at South Carolina.

We have to bury this "SEC is the Best" crap and realize, at least with those 3 programs, the ACC schools are all better, and by a significant margin.

Umm, I said that Louisville and Clemson's wins weren't beat downs as you described them. Actually I was underwhelmed by both of those ACC teams' victories and I believe if you were being honest you'd say the same. They didnt perform up to expectations. Is Louisville much better than Kentucky, and Clemson much better than South Carolina? Yea, I think that's a fair statement. Your original assertion was wrong though. As you've said before, you're unable to be rational when it comes to college football.

[MusicMan]

Florida State's last three visits to Jimbo Fisher Field in Ben Hill Griffin Stadium,

the Seminoles with the "inferiority complex" and the "ketchup and mustard" unis have outscored the "flagship"  by a combined score of 86-16.

DAMN!

Welcome to big boy football ACC style Coach Mac.

[thelakelander]

Definitely nothing special about the SEC this year.... Just an average run of the mill conference, in the grand scheme of things.

[CCMjax]

Well, the SEC East is complete garbage this year, as seen by their performances against FCS opponents, let alone the ACC.  Just not their year.  I think they may be even worse than the ACC Coastal or whatever hell division UNC is dominating.  With that said . . . . now watch Florida beam Bama 

[RattlerGator]

I believe the word RattlerGator used a few weeks ago was EPIC.  I questioned it, as the signs of offensive ineptitude were there then.  I have now seen live the "flagship" lose to their "baby sister" 11 times in 18 games (and some view the 1994 tie as a loss for UF), including 4 out of 6 in Gainesville since 1995.  And the current streak is 5 out of 6, and 3 straight in the swamp.

As for ACC-SEC rivalry weekend, the combined record is 7-1 over the past two years.

Any thoughts RG?

My thoughts at the moment are this: owwwwwwwww !!!

[RattlerGator]

For my Seminole cousins (and others in the Anybody But Florida crowd) crowing about FSU's recent ascent, a quick reminder: FSU has never won a national title that wasn't tainted, and this latest one may be the greatest taint yet. Worse, it may do more than taint your national title. The integrity of your entire program is in question. That FSU coed that y'all shat upon wants her revenge, and she may get it yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38P3Gt15xQk

That's a biased take, no doubt about it, but she has some devastating facts on her side. We'll see how it ends -- but . . . these recent victories? Enjoy them while you can, cuz.

[tufsu1]

Nothing new here.  The whole situation brought about questions of program/university integrity nearly two years ago. 

And yes, as you noted, it is a biased take.  The film is hardly a documentary. 

[The_Choose_1]

For my Seminole cousins (and others in the Anybody But Florida crowd) crowing about FSU's recent ascent, a quick reminder: FSU has never won a national title that wasn't tainted, and this latest one may be the greatest taint yet. Worse, it may do more than taint your national title. The integrity of your entire program is in question. That FSU coed that y'all shat upon wants her revenge, and she may get it yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38P3Gt15xQk

That's a biased take, no doubt about it, but she has some devastating facts on her side. We'll see how it ends -- but . . . these recent victories? Enjoy them while you can, cuz.

RattlerGator cry baby gator boo-hoo    Let me tell you this RG-Jerk devastating facts & truths are to different things. FSU 27 GATORS 2 11/28/2015 you're a true P.O.S.

[The_Choose_1]

What I'm really amazed about when it comes to any gator fan is the level of child like attitude they have all through life. Jesus Christ it's a football game and you lost FSU 27 Gators 2 and FSU gave you those points! So when a gator fan is down they have to bring back all what has happen to the Noles in criminal cases? Winston is in the NFL now let it go. In a civil case both parties have to tell the truth or work out a deal under the table with their high price overrated lawyers. Lets look at Will Grier the once proud quarterback of UF? I would bet that the Doctors and staff at Florida know more about his over the counter drug he was taking then what the media & public or the NCAA were told?

[tufsu1]

RattlerGator cry baby gator boo-hoo    Let me tell you this RG-Jerk devastating facts & truths are to different things. FSU 27 GATORS 2 11/28/2015 you're a true P.O.S.

sorry...but this is unnecessary.  Seminole fans are better than that!