UF's QB Will Grier suspended for season after positive PED test

[RattlerGator]

When you play in the toughest conference in the nation, one that even Bobby Bowden acknowledged he was scared to enter for fear he'd not be able to win a national championship (check the St. Pete Times -- it's in there), you don't need to worry about scheduling out-of-conference games outside the state of Florida. But for the easily fooled, it makes for a nice strawman. No one inside the SEC has to deal with what Florida has to contend with in-state and -- within the great Sunshine State -- no other Florida program has ever played in a conference remotely close to the SEC.

So keep talking that crazy yang. No damn body pays any attention to it beyond the envious mustard-and-ketchup or the envious University of New Jersey at Coral Gables. Meanwhile, knaves, The Flagship continues to march.

[MusicMan]

I get it . When we kick the Gators ass next month you'll have an excuse.........................

Why don't you just deal in the facts RattlerGator?

Here it is , just for you:

http://chopchat.com/2014/09/02/fsu-vs-sec-history-domination/

For those of you who don't want to read a bit, the Nole's are ahead of the Gators 20-19-1 since 1976.

And the SEC in General? 45-30-2  right at 60% winning percentage. (Since 1976). 

Please try and come up with some horse manure that disputes the actual records, I'll enjoy reading it.

Oh, and Jimbo Fisher?  He's 5-1 against the SEC as head coach at FSU. Keep on smokin' the crack pipe, RattlerGator, we'll keep smokin'

your team.

[ProjectMaximus]

Here it is , just for you:

http://chopchat.com/2014/09/02/fsu-vs-sec-history-domination/

For those of you who don't want to read a bit, the Nole's are ahead of the Gators 20-19-1 since 1976.

And the SEC in General? 45-30-2  right at 60% winning percentage. (Since 1976). 

Please try and come up with some horse manure that disputes the actual records, I'll enjoy reading it.

That article was not convincing at all...to me it reads like someone trying really hard to twist stats and it was pretty transparent.
Are you saying you'd be proud to be a .600 team in the SEC? In that same time (since 1976) the gators are 209-88-1 in the SEC, better than 70% winning percentage.

I'm not saying that proves anything...other than to show it's silly to dig into the arbitrary depths of history to find one kernel of support for an argument.

1976 was Bobby Bowden's first season at FSU. But just for more perspective:

All-time FSU vs UF record is 23-34-2
All-time FSU vs SEC record is 50-69-7

[tufsu1]

When you play in the toughest conference in the nation, one that even Bobby Bowden acknowledged he was scared to enter for fear he'd not be able to win a national championship (check the St. Pete Times -- it's in there), you don't need to worry about scheduling out-of-conference games outside the state of Florida.

please explain then why other SEC schools like Alabama, LSU, Tennessee, and Georgia regularly play tough non-conference road games?

btw, might want to take a look at the US News rankings...the University of New Jersey at Coral Gables passed the flagship a few years ago.

[RattlerGator]

I know it's hard for envious Noles, REALLY hard, but let me help you -- since it *is* something of a compliment to you and the Canes.

The University of Florida is the only school in the nation -- the only one -- to play in a serious football conference that also regularly plays a traditional modern football power EVERY YEAR out of conference. Bama can't say that, LSU can't say that, Tennessee can't say that, Georgia can't say that.

Alabama picks and chooses a few teams to play at the beginning of the year. Sometimes. They have no one that matches FSU or Miami on their annual out-of-conference schedule, and Florida occasionally plays BOTH Miami and FSU Out of Conference in the same season (2019 is the next occurrence).

LSU picks and chooses a few teams to play at the beginning of the year. Sometimes. They have no one that matches FSU or Miami on their annual out-of-conference schedule, and Florida occasionally plays BOTH Miami and FSU OOC in the same season (2019 is the next occurrence).

Tennessee picks and chooses a few teams to play at the beginning of the year. Sometimes. They have no one that matches FSU or Miami on their annual out-of-conference schedule, and Florida occasionally plays BOTH Miami and FSU OOC in the same season (2019 is the next occurrence).

Georgia picks and chooses a few teams to play at the beginning of the year. Sometimes. They have no one that matches FSU or Miami on their annual out-of-conference schedule, and Florida occasionally plays BOTH Miami and FSU OOC in the same season (2019 is the next occurrence).

Did I repeat the fact enough for ya? Do you get it now?

The reason why CBS gave the SEC the only national TV contract for a college football conference back in the 1990s was because it was clear what conference was easily the best in the nation. Only the SEC has such a wide range of bigtime programs that have won national championships in the last 25 years. No other conference even comes close. Florida, Bama, Auburn, Tennessee and LSU have all won titles in that timeframe. There have been multiple years in that period where Florida has played all four of those other teams on its schedule; there is never a year when Florida plays less than two of them. FSU may never have had TWO such teams on its regular schedule in any one year. Nor Miami.

Florida never has less than two on its regular schedule and neither you nor the Canes may have had as much as two on your regular schedule.

Again, tufsu, I refer you to an objective fact -- Bobby Bowden in the St. Pete Times. Remember? He was man enough to admit it and I know plenty of knowledgeable Noles who do the same. But even if many of y'all never will do the same, the whole nation knows it. And when (or should I say, IF!) y'all get that ACC Network with the kind of distribution the SEC Network has, maybe you can say something serious on the subject.

So you get to play a lesser schedule, and cherry pick your big games most seasons, and you've snuck through for three titles. Okay. Bully for you. But neither you nor the Canes have ever played in the toughest college football conference in the nation or dominated it. We have.

There can only be one, tufsu, and we are that one. In the Great Sunshine State and in the SEC. Bow down, knave.

And MusicMan, ain't no damn body skurred of Jimbo Fisher. #BeforeJameis and #AfterJameis. Get used to that phrasing because *you* may have forgotten the pre-Jameis Jimbo but I sure as hell haven't. We'll see how you do going forward. Just remember --Jimbo, Jimbo, he's your man !!!

[Elwood]

Somebody has been drinking WAY too much gatorade....wow

[acme54321]

Somebody has been drinking WAY too much gatorade....wow

It's good stuff

[The_Choose_1]

I know it's hard for envious Noles, REALLY hard, but let me help you -- since it *is* something of a compliment to you and the Canes.

The University of Florida is the only school in the nation -- the only one -- to play in a serious football conference that also regularly plays a traditional modern football power EVERY YEAR out of conference. Bama can't say that, LSU can't say that, Tennessee can't say that, Georgia can't say that.

Alabama picks and chooses a few teams to play at the beginning of the year. Sometimes. They have no one that matches FSU or Miami on their annual out-of-conference schedule, and Florida occasionally plays BOTH Miami and FSU Out of Conference in the same season (2019 is the next occurrence).

LSU picks and chooses a few teams to play at the beginning of the year. Sometimes. They have no one that matches FSU or Miami on their annual out-of-conference schedule, and Florida occasionally plays BOTH Miami and FSU OOC in the same season (2019 is the next occurrence).

Tennessee picks and chooses a few teams to play at the beginning of the year. Sometimes. They have no one that matches FSU or Miami on their annual out-of-conference schedule, and Florida occasionally plays BOTH Miami and FSU OOC in the same season (2019 is the next occurrence).

Georgia picks and chooses a few teams to play at the beginning of the year. Sometimes. They have no one that matches FSU or Miami on their annual out-of-conference schedule, and Florida occasionally plays BOTH Miami and FSU OOC in the same season (2019 is the next occurrence).

Did I repeat the fact enough for ya? Do you get it now?

The reason why CBS gave the SEC the only national TV contract for a college football conference back in the 1990s was because it was clear what conference was easily the best in the nation. Only the SEC has such a wide range of bigtime programs that have won national championships in the last 25 years. No other conference even comes close. Florida, Bama, Auburn, Tennessee and LSU have all won titles in that timeframe. There have been multiple years in that period where Florida has played all four of those other teams on its schedule; there is never a year when Florida plays less than two of them. FSU may never have had TWO such teams on its regular schedule in any one year. Nor Miami.

Florida never has less than two on its regular schedule and neither you nor the Canes may have had as much as two on your regular schedule.

Again, tufsu, I refer you to an objective fact -- Bobby Bowden in the St. Pete Times. Remember? He was man enough to admit it and I know plenty of knowledgeable Noles who do the same. But even if many of y'all never will do the same, the whole nation knows it. And when (or should I say, IF!) y'all get that ACC Network with the kind of distribution the SEC Network has, maybe you can say something serious on the subject.

So you get to play a lesser schedule, and cherry pick your big games most seasons, and you've snuck through for three titles. Okay. Bully for you. But neither you nor the Canes have ever played in the toughest college football conference in the nation or dominated it. We have.

There can only be one, tufsu, and we are that one. In the Great Sunshine State and in the SEC. Bow down, knave.

And MusicMan, ain't no damn body skurred of Jimbo Fisher. #BeforeJameis and #AfterJameis. Get used to that phrasing because *you* may have forgotten the pre-Jameis Jimbo but I sure as hell haven't. We'll see how you do going forward. Just remember --Jimbo, Jimbo, he's your man !!!

In your honor all I can say is "IT'S GREAT TO HATE A FLORIDA GATOR!" Good luck with LSU today. 

[tufsu1]

Umm rattler....USC plays Notre Dame every year and the other USC plays Clemson every year.

And please...lets be honest....UF stopped playing Miami regularly 25 years ago.  FSU, on the other hand continued to  play both as out of conference games through the mid 2000s.

And as to your reference about scheduling national champions I refer you to 2007, when FSU played Florida (2006 title) and Alabama (2008 title).  We also play Alabama again in 2017 and have been trying to schedule with Auburn. We have also played Notre Dame several times in regular season (before they signed the semi ACC agreement) and had a recent home and home with Oklahoma.

[Gators312]

Umm rattler....USC plays Notre Dame every year and the other USC plays Clemson every year.

And please...lets be honest....UF stopped playing Miami regularly 25 years ago.  FSU, on the other hand continued to  play both as out of conference games through the mid 2000s.

And as to your reference about scheduling national champions I refer you to 2007, when FSU played Florida (2006 title) and Alabama (2008 title).  We also play Alabama again in 2017 and have been trying to schedule with Auburn. We have also played Notre Dame several times in regular season (before they signed the semi ACC agreement) and had a recent home and home with Oklahoma.

Playing a weak in-conference schedule requires FSU to do so that they didn't get left out of the BCS or now the CFP.   Bobby knew he could be the top dog in a weak conference, continue to schedule 1 or 2 tough OOC games as they did as independents and have an easier time than the grind of the SEC week in and week out. 

Also, if Florida vs Georgia leaves Jacksonville, it will give Florida more of an opportunity to schedule OOC games without having to drop to 6 home games a year, sure it's not automatic but we will have to see.  Otherwise the OOC games will strictly be pre-season kickoff games.   7 home games pays the bills, with plenty left over to fund other sports and academic scholarships.   We all know CFB is all about the $$$$. 

[tufsu1]

^ I'm pretty sure that "weak conference" swept the mighty SEC Thanksgiving weekend last year!

http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/77864/fact-acc-delivers-message-to-sec

http://thebiglead.com/2014/12/03/was-the-acc-the-nations-best-college-football-conference-in-2014/

oh and this

http://collegefootball.blog.ajc.com/2015/05/01/nine-acc-players-taken-in-first-round-of-nfl-draft-seven-for-sec/

[The_Choose_1]

LSU Tigers 35 UF Gators 28

[Bridges]

I know it's hard for envious Noles, REALLY hard, but let me help you -- since it *is* something of a compliment to you and the Canes.

The University of Florida is the only school in the nation -- the only one -- to play in a serious football conference that also regularly plays a traditional modern football power EVERY YEAR out of conference. Bama can't say that, LSU can't say that, Tennessee can't say that, Georgia can't say that.

Alabama picks and chooses a few teams to play at the beginning of the year. Sometimes. They have no one that matches FSU or Miami on their annual out-of-conference schedule, and Florida occasionally plays BOTH Miami and FSU Out of Conference in the same season (2019 is the next occurrence).

LSU picks and chooses a few teams to play at the beginning of the year. Sometimes. They have no one that matches FSU or Miami on their annual out-of-conference schedule, and Florida occasionally plays BOTH Miami and FSU OOC in the same season (2019 is the next occurrence).

Tennessee picks and chooses a few teams to play at the beginning of the year. Sometimes. They have no one that matches FSU or Miami on their annual out-of-conference schedule, and Florida occasionally plays BOTH Miami and FSU OOC in the same season (2019 is the next occurrence).

Georgia picks and chooses a few teams to play at the beginning of the year. Sometimes. They have no one that matches FSU or Miami on their annual out-of-conference schedule, and Florida occasionally plays BOTH Miami and FSU OOC in the same season (2019 is the next occurrence).

Did I repeat the fact enough for ya? Do you get it now?

The reason why CBS gave the SEC the only national TV contract for a college football conference back in the 1990s was because it was clear what conference was easily the best in the nation. Only the SEC has such a wide range of bigtime programs that have won national championships in the last 25 years. No other conference even comes close. Florida, Bama, Auburn, Tennessee and LSU have all won titles in that timeframe. There have been multiple years in that period where Florida has played all four of those other teams on its schedule; there is never a year when Florida plays less than two of them. FSU may never have had TWO such teams on its regular schedule in any one year. Nor Miami.

Florida never has less than two on its regular schedule and neither you nor the Canes may have had as much as two on your regular schedule.

Again, tufsu, I refer you to an objective fact -- Bobby Bowden in the St. Pete Times. Remember? He was man enough to admit it and I know plenty of knowledgeable Noles who do the same. But even if many of y'all never will do the same, the whole nation knows it. And when (or should I say, IF!) y'all get that ACC Network with the kind of distribution the SEC Network has, maybe you can say something serious on the subject.

So you get to play a lesser schedule, and cherry pick your big games most seasons, and you've snuck through for three titles. Okay. Bully for you. But neither you nor the Canes have ever played in the toughest college football conference in the nation or dominated it. We have.

There can only be one, tufsu, and we are that one. In the Great Sunshine State and in the SEC. Bow down, knave.

And MusicMan, ain't no damn body skurred of Jimbo Fisher. #BeforeJameis and #AfterJameis. Get used to that phrasing because *you* may have forgotten the pre-Jameis Jimbo but I sure as hell haven't. We'll see how you do going forward. Just remember --Jimbo, Jimbo, he's your man !!!

Yeah, like I said, SEC Least http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/10/28/9630824/sec-west-sec-east-division-rankings-advanced-stats

But the SEC West is incredible! Yes, that's still true. But the SEC East is drastically pulling down the rest of the conference. In fact, according to Bill Connelly's S&P+ ratings, the SEC East is the worst power five division, and it's closer in strength to the AAC West than it is to even the Big Ten East.

[The_Choose_1]

The SEC is still the best conference in college football, but it's clear now that the conference was overrated in the offseason, as statistically, it is much closer to its peers in the ACC and Big Ten than previously expected.

But the SEC West is incredible! Yes, that's still true. But the SEC East is drastically pulling down the rest of the conference. In fact, according to Bill Connelly's S&P+ ratings, the SEC East is the worst power five division, and it's closer in strength to the AAC West than it is to even the Big Ten East. The disparity between the SEC divisions is striking, but it makes sense given the records between the two so far this season. The SEC West is 8-1 against the East so far this season.

The East only has non-conference losses to Western Kentucky and Oklahoma, but its teams have also played just about nobody -- they are 1-1 against power conference opponents -- and had close calls against Eastern Kentucky, UConn, East Carolina, Bowling Green and Middle Tennessee. Florida is the only team in the East that's ranked in the AP poll, and Georgia is the only other one receiving votes.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/10/28/9630824/sec-west-sec-east-division-rankings-advanced-stats

[CCMjax]

The SEC is still the best conference in college football, but it's clear now that the conference was overrated in the offseason, as statistically, it is much closer to its peers in the ACC and Big Ten than previously expected.

But the SEC West is incredible! Yes, that's still true. But the SEC East is drastically pulling down the rest of the conference. In fact, according to Bill Connelly's S&P+ ratings, the SEC East is the worst power five division, and it's closer in strength to the AAC West than it is to even the Big Ten East. The disparity between the SEC divisions is striking, but it makes sense given the records between the two so far this season. The SEC West is 8-1 against the East so far this season.

Did you mean Big Ten West?  The BIG West is the weak one and more comparable to the SEC East, which is pretty bad right now except for Florida.  The BIG East is definitely better (statistically) than the SEC East and getting better.  Not quite the SEC West yet but we shall see in the coming years with Michigan improving quickly and Penn State coming off sanctions and improving under James Franklin.  4 of the top 10 recruiting classes coming in next year are in the BIG East (OSU, MSU, UM and PSU).

I honestly cannot fathom how Georgia is not ranked with the talent they bring in every year.  Even with injuries they have no one to blame but themselves.  Georgia should never ever not be ranked with all the recruits in the state of Georgia and they are the only major program in the state (GTECH does not really pull in the top level recruits).  It just doesn't make sense to me that they are not a top 10 team every year and stay there.