Jax no longer a hypersegregated metropolitan area

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[duvaldude08]

Being black, I've lived on on south side twice, Arlington once, and on dunn ave...and I was raised on the north side. And now i stay on the westside. Moving around as much as I have I will say jax us much more diverse than its given credit for.I've always stayed in mixed areas and have always had neighbors of all races

[ProjectMaximus]

Being black, I've lived on on south side twice, Arlington once, and on dunn ave...and I was raised on the north side. And now i stay on the westside. Moving around as much as I have I will say jax us much more diverse than its given credit for.I've always stayed in mixed areas and have always had neighbors of all races

And a white athlete as your avatar! Score! 

[urbanlibertarian]

In the spirit of this thread I have just changed my avatar to Bob Hayes.  A hero to every Jax kid in the 60's.  Duuvaall!!

[Tacachale]

Things definitely differ based on place and time. Growing up in Neptune Beach in the 80s and 90s, I recall only one black family living there the entire time, and only for a few years. A number of Hispanics, though, including my next door neighbor and later, my family. I've had black neighbors in every place in town I've lived since (though Ponte Vedra didn't have many). My current house is in a part of San Marco I understand to be a historically white, working class neighborhood, and I have a number of black neighbors now.

Again, that's not to say segregation in local or proportional forms doesn't exist here. But it does seem to be the case that hypersegregation, in the way sociologists use that word, no longer exists here.

[Adam White]

Things definitely differ based on place and time. Growing up in Neptune Beach in the 80s and 90s, I recall only one black family living there the entire time, and only for a few years. A number of Hispanics, though, including my next door neighbor and later, my family. I've had black neighbors in every place in town I've lived since (though Ponte Vedra didn't have many). My current house is in a part of San Marco I understand to be a historically white, working class neighborhood, and I have a number of black neighbors now.

Again, that's not to say segregation in local or proportional forms doesn't exist here. But it does seem to be the case that hypersegregation, in the way sociologists use that word, no longer exists here.

I grew up in East Arlington. I remember when the first black family moved into our neighborhood. It was actually considered a bit of a scandal - I remember my next door neighbour being very upset about it.

That neighborhood has changed a lot since then and is very mixed now. I looked at my old house on Google street view a few years back and it appeared that a black family was living there now.

I think things have changed a lot in Jacksonville since the 1980s.

[gerschea@gmail.com]

I grew up in the northeast and was shocked when i came down here. I always had this picture in my head of the south being so racist compared to the north and i found the exact opposite thankfully. Growing up in the north there is the black and the white part of town, its just how things are. In Buffalo main street in the divider for the most part and it is crazy how defined the two separate areas are. The northerners shit talk the southerns on being so racist when in reality the north is worse.

[I-10east]

^^^+100

[Adam White]

Racism is a problem everywhere (more or less). Though in my experience, Jacksonville is pretty bad - but the USA in general has serious issues.

[I-10east]

Racism is a two way street. Black on white crime is virtually ignored and denied by any kind of mainstream (esp liberal) media, and alot of racism can be blamed on that. Racism is like a band saw blade, a continuous looping action; Modern day racism isn't all isn't attributed to the man in the pointy hat like many think. If a group of 16 year old white boys attack a 62 year old black grandmother, and it's racial component is ignored and denied by the media, that grandmother's family is likely gonna feel some type of way racially; It's no different in a vice versa race scenario.

IMO the KKK is a shell of themselves, and much of their power is in rural podunk towns. IMO many larger cities have much much much more black on white crime (the knockout game, mob attacks etc) than Jax; Usually the more liberal the city is, the more those style attacks occur.

[Adam White]

IMO the KKK is a shell of themselves, and much of their power is in rural podunk towns. IMO many larger cities have much much much more black on white crime (the knockout game, mob attacks etc) than Jax; Usually the more liberal the city is, the more those style attacks occur.

Do you have any stats to support that - especially the last bit about liberal cities? I know you typed "IMO" but it seems a pretty strong statement.

[JaxJersey-licious]

I grew up in the northeast and was shocked when i came down here. I always had this picture in my head of the south being so racist compared to the north and i found the exact opposite thankfully. Growing up in the north there is the black and the white part of town, its just how things are. In Buffalo main street in the divider for the most part and it is crazy how defined the two separate areas are. The northerners shit talk the southerns on being so racist when in reality the north is worse.

I personally feel a big factor in how you accept and treat people different from you is mobility. We joke about how closed-minded the South tends to be, but when I moved up North and met many people who seemed just as ignorant. Although many up North eventually moved away for better opportunities, they left behind a number of people that were tied to the neighborhood because of family, work, health, or just plain dreaded being anywhere else and were not just wary of who was moving in to their community, but were also apprehensive about what big national chains or frou-frou small businesses were setting up shop. I didn't necesarily consider them racist so much as protective, but it still could be perceived as such. And if you were moving to a new part of the world seeking better opprtunitites for your family, how could you talk ill of anyone that doesn't look like you when you know they're taking the same life-changing chances for their family that you are?

Reminds me of an old saying, "The less you have traveled, the more you  think you know."

[I-10east]

Do you have any stats to support that - especially the last bit about liberal cities? I know you typed "IMO" but it seems a pretty strong statement.

I'm wanna preface by saying thank you MJ for not ripping my head off for my self acknowledged controversial statement, thank you, I really mean it. The liberal cities I'm talking about are many places like Baltimore, Philly, and others, particularly in gentrified neighborhoods; So likely a Portland or Austin will not have much of that. Things like I mentioned happens all of the time.

There are plenty sources of info, FBI stats. Colin Flaherty (people gonna be like ohh no, Fox News, he's a racist bad guy blah blah blah) on youtube is a good source of info on this; All he do is play the local news throughout this country, and you can see the clips for yourself. I can care less about the republican or democrat statuses, and withholding either of all the parties ideologies, but what I'm into is the absolute truth, no matter who's speaking on it. 

[Adam White]

Do you have any stats to support that - especially the last bit about liberal cities? I know you typed "IMO" but it seems a pretty strong statement.

I'm wanna preface by saying thank you MJ for not ripping my head off for my self acknowledged controversial statement, thank you, I really mean it. The liberal cities I'm talking about are many places like Baltimore, Philly, and others, particularly in gentrified neighborhoods; So likely a Portland or Austin will not have much of that. Things like I mentioned happens all of the time.

There are plenty sources of info, FBI stats. Colin Flaherty (people gonna be like ohh no, Fox News, he's a racist bad guy blah blah blah) on youtube is a good source of info on this; All he do is play the local news throughout this country, and you can see the clips for yourself. I can care less about the republican or democrat statuses, and withholding either of all the parties ideologies, but what I'm into is the absolute truth, no matter who's speaking on it.

Assuming this is true, it may have to do with the fact that the majority of really large, densely-populated cities in the USA happen to be in areas that are more politically liberal. As it is, cities tend to be more liberal than rural areas.

If you figure that higher-crime areas tend to be poorer areas, it would not seem unreasonable to assume there would be more crime in areas where there are a lot more poor people.

Crime also tends to happen more in densely populated areas. And although you might have higher incidences of crime within a particular community, it's more likely that criminal acts will occur against members of another community when they live in close proximity to each other - especially when poor people and wealthier people live cheek by jowl.

I would be surprised if the higher rates of black-on-white crime was a function of liberalism or the political orientation of these places - it would seem more likely that it stems from a combination of other factors.

I do seem to recall a number of small towns in Florida that were still segragated like it was the 1960s. I think Oprah did a story on it. And I remember visiting Fitzgerald, GA numerous times with an old girlfriend and being shocked that white people and black people just didn't mix or interact at all (except at the Walmart). Each community had its own shops, restaurants, etc.

[David]

Growing up in Englewood and coming of age in the in town neighborhoods i always had a diverse set of friends. It wasn't until recently I experienced culture shock when moving out to Mandarin and hanging with friends in St. Johns county that I realized the whole city wasn't as diverse. (32223 is 92% white, wow!) Not that there's anything wrong with that, i'm part of the 92% out there, but I always just always looked at Mandarin and the outer lying counties as bit sheltered when dealing with other races... But to the point of the thread there's plenty of integration, especially the further north you go in that part of town.