Bill Cosby raped me, why doesn't anyone believe me?

[spuwho]

Per People:

Bill Cosby Accuser Beth Ferrier Says She Lost 'Everything' After Going Public in 2006



For the past nine years, Beth Ferrier has tried her best to stay out of the media spotlight.

In 2006, Ferrier, who says she was in a consensual relationship with Bill Cosby for months, told PEOPLE magazine about how she believes Cosby slipped something into her cappuccino.

She says she went to visit him in his dressing room in Denver in the mid-1980s and he gave her a cappuccino.

"I woke up in my car in the parking lot with my clothes all a mess," the model told PEOPLE in 2006.

"I was definitely drugged. All I had to drink was coffee and the room was spinning. I wondered, I still wonder, 'What did he do with me? Why was my bra unhooked? What happened?' "

Cosby, through his attorneys, has consistently denied all previous allegations. And in a statement on Friday, Cosby's lawyer, Martin Singer, said, "It is long past time for this media vilification of Mr. Cosby to stop."

He added of the claims that have come out in the past two weeks: "It is completely illogical that so many people would have said nothing, done nothing and made no reports to law enforcement or asserted civil claims if they thought they had been assaulted over a span of so many years."

Ferrier, who was Jane Doe #5 in Andrea Constand's civil suit against Cosby, said she experienced a lot of backlash after that story ran.

"I lost everything," she says. "I've had to change my number several times because people were threatening me."

Members of her family stopped speaking with her and her modeling work dried up, she says.

"I lost a lot of friends," she says. "They didn't want to talk to me anymore."

Ferrier, 56, slowly rebuilt her life and worked as a certified special education teacher until she broke her neck in May 2011.

She doesn't have a television so she had no idea about the recent Cosby uproar until a member of the media tracked down a friend of hers two days ago.

"I immediately was like, 'I'm not going to say a word,' " she says. "I just started to shake my head, thinking, 'Holy Moly.' I feel really sorry for you because you have no idea how bad it can get."

This time needs to be different, she says.

"There needs to be an outcry and it needs to be huge," she says. "And I hope it gets so bad for him that he finally will break and have some true emotion."

Mostly, though, she just wants him to admit what he did.

"This time use your energy, your wealth and your intelligence to tell the world the truth," she says. "Call us by name. You know us."

[Jax native]

Quick History lesson

I have already become tired of people moaning "but isn't Cosby innocent before proven guilty? How stupid are these people who  so foolishly and emotionally believe all 16 women who have come forward? Innocence before guilty blah blah blah!"


The bill of rights was created to protect individual liberties, but mainly to limit the power and abuses of the central government. the delegates of that convention feared that without a bill of rights to specifically state our personal liberties, our country would run into the same tyranny and oppression that we had just escaped and overthrown. thus, our founding fathers created the constitution to govern human nature, bc they understood the the natural human inclination of rulers to lust for more power.

So, the notion of innocent before guilty is something that was created in the eyes of the law, to protect us from the power of the state, so that the state wouldn't be able to just send us to jail, without any proof. it is heavily implied in our constitution, in the bill of rights, that the state has the entire burden of proof, not the defendant/accused. again, this is applicable in a court of law. So when people, especially a person who uses the term "legitimate rape" in a sentence continue to harp on this point of "innocent before guilty, it drives me crazy.....

"legal terms. you're doing it wrong." and honestly, now I've put you in the same camp of people who erroneously ballyhoo " blah blah blah my first amendment rights!!"

I actually feel bad for calling you out,  BUT....the presumption of innocence was created to protect us from the abuses of the central government, NOT to govern social behavior. so it's just false to use it in a social context when it's origin is legal, and intended to protect us from the STATE, and not from day to day people!!!!

Thanks for allowing my rant of the day. 

[Jax native]

[/quote]"So have I, which is why I said you can't automatically label someone a rapist if there's really no proof that they did so. That's pretty messed up. All that's there is a bunch of stories coming out at once similar to the one I linked to (is that what we're calling "rape" now?). And you are white knighting because you've already made up your mind based on decades old stories with no proof just because "women" and "rape" were used in the same sentence. What's more believable, that he was a rapist for decades involving dozens of women that never got caught, never got reported, etc, or that he was a famous womanizer with money who had a bunch of flings on the side that ended badly? Either is possible, or it could be somewhere in the middle. But like I said, prove it & I'll call him a rapist all day long.' 

I'm not saying he didn't do it & trying to belittle anyone or their story, just that no one should jump on the Cos hate bandwagon (or be bullied into doing so) without anything real to go on. If that's the case, then anyone could just say anything about anyone if they want to take them down. All you have to do is get it in the news & they're done.
[/quote]  from up above


You do not understand or have enough information about this to comment like the above.  these women did NOT just come out now.  These are allegations starting from the 80's and 90's.  Most of the women all have similar backgrounds; white, young (16-17) yrs old, wanting to be in show business, vulnerable to a powerful man who can break or make their careers, AND the drugs were not given in public places.  The cases reported so far, are Cosby sent someone to get this young woman up to his room under the pretense of interview, etc. 

Many told their agents, friends, lawyers immediately after the assault, but many in authorit didn't listen.  Who do they want to believe?? The most beloved, and well financed man in the USA or a 17 yr. old girl, trying to get on The Cosby show?  In what reality, would attorneys want to take on Cosby?  Justice doesn't always pay well. 

Another person who is male, and worked w/ Cosby all those yrs. back had come forward and has receipts of the money orders, Cosby paid him to give to the woman he had promised something in exchange...of their bodies against their will. 

In 2005, a lawsuit was filed representing some of these women, ....It was settled by Cosby's attorneys for a huge financial return, but only to the one woman who gave her name and to the people who agreed to be nameless as a Jane Doe.  Some woman refused to be silenced by not giving their name and made Zero money.....These woman still will make Zero money, but sometimes the truth should be have more of a voice against a powerful man. 

These allegations have been around for 30 years............It wasn't until Hannibel Burgess, a black. male comedian repeating the "facts" in a joke bit he does.  He states the obvious..."you guys know bill cosby is a rapist. Right?"  It's part of who he is and the fact that it took a male to say it outloud, people started to listen.  You see, you your simple world of drugging, having sex, and you being able to determine a  "real legitimate rape"  the facts don't make sense to you.   You live in a judgemental phrase that wants everything to be black or white before you believe it. 

Have you ever seem an atom?  Do you believe it exists?  It does and so does injustice in a world where many woman are still considered second class citizens and the legal system relies more on who has power than who has the truth.

In a world of make believe television, Bill Cosby was an all American dad loved by all.  It was a non reality, scripted t.v. show.  It did not film his reality......no more than Leo Dicaprio died after filming Titanic.   even Stephen Collins, the wholesome dad, and pastor in the t.v. show,  "Seventh Heaven", is not really a saint as he appears......In fact he is facing felony sex abuses charges against minors. 

If someone is uncomfortable "labeling ' Cosby as something...then don't do it.  Go about your business and don't label or think about him.  but, if you do want to know, search many different resources before you come away with your 'truth" on what happened.   

Also to answer your question..... "If that's the case, then anyone could just say anything about anyone if they want to take them down."   Yes, dear friend, yes.  Anyone could say anything about anyone if they want to take them down......So correct.  Have you ever watched a political add somewhere? 

I feel I have diluted your imaginary but awesome reality of right and wrong again....Sorry. 

[peestandingup]

If someone is uncomfortable "labeling ' Cosby as something...then don't do it.  Go about your business and don't label or think about him.  but, if you do want to know, search many different resources before you come away with your 'truth" on what happened.

Never claimed it was the "truth".

Also to answer your question..... "If that's the case, then anyone could just say anything about anyone if they want to take them down."   Yes, dear friend, yes.  Anyone could say anything about anyone if they want to take them down......So correct.  Have you ever watched a political add somewhere?

Political ads & satire arent criminal cases, so there's that.

I feel I have diluted your imaginary but awesome reality of right and wrong again....Sorry.

Not really, no. The fact of the matter remains that if you're charged with something, it still has to be proven that you did it whether its murder, rape, etc either by evidence or a jury's decision. Even if he did it, but the courts can't prove he did, then he's not a rapist (at least in the eyes of the court).

I think the best thing to do now would be to wait & see how this plays out before formulating any kind of hard opinion. My suspicion is that he did take advantage of lots of young women over the years, wanted them to keep quiet about it (for obvious reasons) so he paid them/gave them things, gave them drugs, etc. Whether or not it was considered forceful rape is anyone's guess at this point.

[spuwho]

Somnophelia.

....... is a paraphilia in which sexual arousal or orgasm are intruded on a sleeping person by having sexual contact with them.[1] Some signs or symptoms that may point to somnophilia include recurring thoughts regarding unconscious or sleeping persons and feeling sexual urges when in contact with or in the proximity of them.[2] There are possible treatments of somnophilia such as hypnosis, behavioral therapy and 12-step programs designed to terminate the behavior. While treatment is available, a somnophiliac may not seek it unless the behavior becomes destructive, problematic, or becomes a legal issue.

[Jax native]

Per People:

Bill Cosby Accuser Beth Ferrier Says She Lost 'Everything' After Going Public in 2006



For the past nine years, Beth Ferrier has tried her best to stay out of the media spotlight.

In 2006, Ferrier, who says she was in a consensual relationship with Bill Cosby for months, told PEOPLE magazine about how she believes Cosby slipped something into her cappuccino.

She says she went to visit him in his dressing room in Denver in the mid-1980s and he gave her a cappuccino.

"I woke up in my car in the parking lot with my clothes all a mess," the model told PEOPLE in 2006.

"I was definitely drugged. All I had to drink was coffee and the room was spinning. I wondered, I still wonder, 'What did he do with me? Why was my bra unhooked? What happened?' "

Cosby, through his attorneys, has consistently denied all previous allegations. And in a statement on Friday, Cosby's lawyer, Martin Singer, said, "It is long past time for this media vilification of Mr. Cosby to stop."

He added of the claims that have come out in the past two weeks: "It is completely illogical that so many people would have said nothing, done nothing and made no reports to law enforcement or asserted civil claims if they thought they had been assaulted over a span of so many years."

Ferrier, who was Jane Doe #5 in Andrea Constand's civil suit against Cosby, said she experienced a lot of backlash after that story ran.

"I lost everything," she says. "I've had to change my number several times because people were threatening me."

Members of her family stopped speaking with her and her modeling work dried up, she says.

"I lost a lot of friends," she says. "They didn't want to talk to me anymore."

Ferrier, 56, slowly rebuilt her life and worked as a certified special education teacher until she broke her neck in May 2011.

She doesn't have a television so she had no idea about the recent Cosby uproar until a member of the media tracked down a friend of hers two days ago.

"I immediately was like, 'I'm not going to say a word,' " she says. "I just started to shake my head, thinking, 'Holy Moly.' I feel really sorry for you because you have no idea how bad it can get."

This time needs to be different, she says.

"There needs to be an outcry and it needs to be huge," she says. "And I hope it gets so bad for him that he finally will break and have some true emotion."

Mostly, though, she just wants him to admit what he did.

"This time use your energy, your wealth and your intelligence to tell the world the truth," she says. "Call us by name. You know us."

If someone is uncomfortable "labeling ' Cosby as something...then don't do it.  Go about your business and don't label or think about him.  but, if you do want to know, search many different resources before you come away with your 'truth" on what happened.

Never claimed it was the "truth".

Also to answer your question..... "If that's the case, then anyone could just say anything about anyone if they want to take them down."   Yes, dear friend, yes.  Anyone could say anything about anyone if they want to take them down......So correct.  Have you ever watched a political add somewhere?

Political ads & satire arent criminal cases, so there's that.

I feel I have diluted your imaginary but awesome reality of right and wrong again....Sorry.

Not really, no. The fact of the matter remains that if you're charged with something, it still has to be proven that you did it whether its murder, rape, etc either by evidence or a jury's decision. Even if he did it, but the courts can't prove he did, then he's not a rapist (at least in the eyes of the court).

I think the best thing to do now would be to wait & see how this plays out before formulating any kind of hard opinion. My suspicion is that he did take advantage of lots of young women over the years, wanted them to keep quiet about it (for obvious reasons) so he paid them/gave them things, gave them drugs, etc. Whether or not it was considered forceful rape is anyone's guess at this point.

You do realize that you are not the person who defines rape.  YOu have uttered the absolute most ignorant term 'real legitimate rape" & then for good measure adding "forcible rape"..........Who are you?  Mike Tyson?

I'm unclear where you are from and how you think RAPE  has so many different meanings because who the abuser is, makes a difference....... Basically...NO means NO.  It's not complicated.  YOu seem very naive on realities in the big wide world we live in, and it is sad.....you are not the generation we need to have talking.  While you may think political ads or satire don't count in your Pollyanna world of  "If that's the case, then anyone could just say anything about anyone if they want to take them down."  ............I haven't much advice except a six year old knows they can make up things & tell them to someone else.  If you haven't heard of the concept, I truly feel for your bubble world.  Wake up...read some news....and stop thinking you are the one in charge of deciding what rape is or not. 

[peestandingup]

^Oh, so you know for a fact they told him "NO" & it wasn't consensual? Ok, then. Well, its an open & shut case here folks. Jax Native cracked it & was apparently there for all of these sexual encounters.

Look, you clearly are putting words into my mouth & trying to paint with a broad brush like I approve rape or something. Which is fine, I don't care enough about this to get into some internet battle. You're also confusing public opinion, political ads, etc with criminal court cases & trials (which is just not very bright).

Like I said earlier, take him to court & lets see how it all plays out, thats really all you can do. Because right now all we have are media articles & forum posts like this one that's either calling for his head (like some here are doing), calling all the women liars, or waiting to see. But if some gallant white knighters want to bully other's into the former (like I said would happen, it always does), then by all means go ahead. I don't care enough to try to point out any longer how wrong & stupid that is until we know more.

[spuwho]

Per Stuff.co.nz:

Former NBC employee 'helped Bill Cosby pay off women'

A veteran NBC employee is the latest person to come forward with allegations of bad behavior from comedian and actor Bill Cosby.

Frank Scotti, who worked with Cosby during The Cosby Show, says he sent thousands of dollars to different women for the entertainer, and stood guard at Cosby's dressing-room door when there were young models inside.

Scotti, 90, who was interviewed by New York Daily News in his own home, said he decided to come forward after hearing more women come forward with allegations of sexual abuse.

"I felt sorry for the women," Scotti said. "When I left him, I left him because I was upset about the women."

"It was very obvious what was going on - to me, anyway," he said.

"I got suspicious about it, but I didn't see it happen."

Scotti said he even sourced an apartment for a girl for Cosby, calling Donald Trump's brother to arrange a place and hiring furniture from the props department to furnish it.

"He said, 'Call Donald Trump's brother and see if he can give you an apartment,' " Scotti recalled. "So I called him up and, of course, who's not going to? He'd throw somebody out just to give Bill Cosby an apartment."

Scotti worked as the facilities manager at NBC's  Brooklyn Studio from 1984, where The Cosby Show was taped.

He said Cosby had a deal with a modelling agent from Manhattan, who would bring young models around to the studios.

The models would be taken to Cosby's dressing room, and Scotti said Cosby would tell him: "'I want you to keep that one girl here; I want to interview her for a part in the show'."

"The owner [of the modelling agency] just walked right out," said Scott. "She knew exactly what was going to go on. Then he'd tell me, 'Stand outside the door and don't let anyone in.' Now you put that together and figure why."

Scotti also said he had to send thousands of dollars to different women around the US, and even to Europe.

"Why would I be sending some woman $2000? It's suspicious. Giving money to people made me very suspicious, because why would he do that?"  When he realised he was sending money to Shawn Thompson, who claims Cosby is the father of her daughter, Autumn Jackson, Scotti said he thought Cosby might be paying off other women for similar reasons.

Cosby denied fathering Thompson's daughter, but after their 1974 affair, he paid her more than $100,000.

"When I knew I was paying [Thompson] two thousand a month, I knew then, that maybe the other people had the same situation with him," Scotti said.

"I was suspicious that something was going on," he continued. "I suspected that he was having sex with them, because the other person he was sending money to [Thompson] he was definitely having sex with."

"Why else would he be sending money?" Scotti said. "He was sending these women $2000 a month. What else could I think?"

Scotti has kept copies of the money orders he got on behalf of Cosby, and said he realised later that Cosby was trying to cover himself.

"I did a lot of crazy things for him," Scotti said. "He was covering himself by having my name on it. It was a cover-up. I realised it later."

When he told Cosby he was thinking of quitting, Scotti said Cosby did not believe him.

"He said, 'You'll never quit me. You love me'."

However, when Scotti announced his decision to definitely retire, Cosby was not so pleasant.

"He looked at me and said, 'Leave right now,'" said Scotti, who has only seen the actor once since then.

Cosby lawyer Martin Singer told The Daily News   Scotti's claims were rubbish.

"What evidence does he have of Cosby's involvement?" Singer asked.

"How would Scotti know if a woman was a model or a secretary? It appears that his story is pure speculation so that he can get his 15 minutes of fame."

[spuwho]

Per CNN:

Cosby breaks his silence

(CNN) -- Amid mounting allegations against him, Bill Cosby has broken his silence. Well, sort of.

Cosby, accused of rape and other misdeeds by an increasing number of women, was reached at home on Friday by a freelance reporter for the New York Post.

While Cosby offered Stacy Brown more than the head-shake that caused several moments of awkward radio silence during an interview with NPR, he did not address the allegations.

Instead, he offered his expectations for how the media -- specifically, "the black media" -- should cover the story.

"Let me say this," the 77-year-old said. "I only expect the black media to uphold the standards of excellence in journalism and when you do that, you have to go in with a neutral mind."

Brown wrote that Cosby "sounded upbeat on the phone," especially when it came to a question about how his wife, Camille, is holding up.

"Love and the strength of womanhood," Cosby said. "Let me say it again, love and the strength of womanhood. And, you could reverse it, the strength of womanhood and love."

The actor then resumed his public relations posture of late and ended the conversation, saying, "They don't want me talking to the media."

Brown also writes for the Washington Informer, a newspaper targeted to the African-American community, and he spoke with CNN about their conversation. Brown said he came away with the clear sense that Cosby actually doesn't want to stay silent at all but is nevertheless deferring to the guidance of his representatives for the time being.

"I definitely came away with the belief that he wants to talk about everything," Brown said. "He seemed as if he really does have a lot to say and, oddly enough, he didn't in any way appear worried about anything. To me, he sounded like a happy individual without a care in the world."

As for how he sort of landed a sort of scoop, Brown said he had been keeping in touch with Cosby's camp for the past three and a half weeks -- and at one point even thought he was close to securing an interview -- but when his people changed their minds, Brown did an end around.

"I had Mr. Cosby's personal number and decided to give it a shot."

[I-10east]

I remember when Stephendare had a nice video interview with Cosby awhile back. I hate being that type of person to pry out replies from someone, but I wonder what his take is? Is it like mine (need more evidence), or is it like many who already have him guilty?

[I-10east]

^^^Well spoken Stephen. Like you said, I too hope that the allegations aren't true, but anything is possible. Thanks for the reply.

[thelakelander]

Hmm....

PHILADELPHIA — Actor-comedian Bill Cosby's admission that he obtained quaaludes to give young women before sex could bolster criminal and civil claims being pursued by his accusers, their lawyers said after The Associated Press reported on newly released court documents.

Cosby in sworn testimony unsealed Monday admitted that he gave the now-banned sedative to a 19-year-old woman before they had sex in Las Vegas in the 1970s. He also admitted giving the powerful drug to unnamed others.

His lawyer interfered before he could answer deposition questions in 2005 about how many women were given drugs and whether they knew about it.

Full article: http://jacksonville.com/breaking-news/2015-07-06/story/2006-deposition-bill-cosby-said-he-got-drugs-give-young-women-whom-he

[spuwho]

Sounds like Cosby had his sexual cues a little mixed up. Ouch.

Per the Washington Post:

Genius seducer Bill Cosby didn't realize key accuser was gay, new documents say

Days after it was revealed comedian Bill Cosby spoke of himself as a master interpreter of women's desires in a 10-year-old court deposition, one of his alleged victims has pointed out a problem with this theory: She's gay.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/29/genius-seducer-bill-cosby-didnt-realize-key-accuser-was-gay-new-documents-say/

[GoldenEst82]

Those last two "revelations" of what he has said in civil court pretty much made me believe the accusers.

It is shown with SCIENCE, that a woman's body will involuntarily protect itself by producing lubrication, even under duress.
It lessens the chance of permanent damage.

There is NO WAY that Cosby or anyone else can interpret that response as consent, without verbal or clear non-verbal PARTICIPATION in the act of sex.

Annd

Then he admitted to purchasing a powerful sedative that he "shared" with women. Most of the women who have come forward did not voluntarily partake in any substance use with him. Those that did admitted to such.

That sounds like classic date rape.

It is sad that this man was allowed to continue to live a deceitful public life. Further disappointment  with the many people who chose to conceal Cosby's crimes to their own benefit, rather than protect a fellow human who was victimized.
Such behavior is probably the most pernicious attribute of celebrity culture, IMO.

[The_Choose_1]

I have never been raped? But I understand the rest of what his lady says "why doesn't anyone believe me." Some people feel since they have talked to "Bill Cosby" feel this can't be true? A lot like Clarence Thompson and the allegations by Anita Hill. And some people believe since OJ Simpson was found Not Guilty he didn't kill his ex-wife & her friend. Why doesn't anyone believe me, that's easy why did you wait this long to come out about the accused rape. Is it because the person you're accusing "Bill Cosby" is an American stand-up comedian, actor, author, and activist. Whats going on here is a civil case everyone is looking for Show Me the Money! If you were raped years ago you should have come out then and maybe if Bill Cosby would have been found guilty you could have been believed.