Do You Care About The Future Of Transit In Jax?

[IrvAdams]

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See if this link to the survey will work.
https://survey.co1.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_cvze9f9LWgdYfkh

Thanks for the link, I missed it also on the feedback website. Great survey, doesn't take long.

[thelakelander]

In 2007 I was optimistic about streetcar, commuter rail and modest skyway expansion. That has changed I do not believe we will see any of it. The politicians aren't interested and JTA has sold out to the fake BRT nonsense.

BRT never went away. However, we were successful in significantly modifying the crazy original billion dollar plan and getting the commuter rail/streetcar conversation going. To make them a reality, we'll have to continue to drive pressure to politicians to embrace them. If not, expect more roads in fringe areas and the exodus from the core and aging suburbs to continue.

For what it's worth I think Jax should put all it's transit efforts into streetcar spreading out from the skyway. After a couple of core area lines are built connect them by converting the skyway into a raised streetcar line.

This is something worth considering, IMO. Would be expensive upfront but makes sense on the surface.

[cline]

I just checked the TPO website and the agendas for both the TCC and CAC have an item requesting approval of the 2040 Needs Plan "that was presented for review at the May meeting".  That's odd considering the comment period ends on the June 3 and the TCC meeting is on June 4.  Are they going to incorporate public comments in one day before the Needs Plan is approved by those committees?  Seems doubtful. Full TPO Board meeting is on June 12.

Also, the Draft Cost Feasible Plan will be presented to the Board August 6th.

[Debbie Thompson]

The website said the comment period for the Needs Plan was extended to June 3rd. I guess they wanted to allow the most time for public comment.    So....everyone please send your input. 

Thanks for the survey link.  Found it and took it.

[Tacachale]

I sent my thoughts over. Probably similar to what a lot of people around here would like to see. Hopefully it makes an impact.

[Ocklawaha]

THE OFFICIAL OCKLAWAHA 2040 TRANSIT PLAN

TPO Steering Committee Member, Robert W. Mann, ideas for 2040

MASS TRANSIT CONCEPT MAP KEY:

key:

Yellow - Streetcar (including Gateway-AP Randolph Rapid-Streetcar)

Red - BRT - (International Basic BRT except SILVER or GOLD as noted by color)

Teal - Commuter Rail

Purple - Skyway

Green - Skywalk




http://www.scribblemaps.com/maps/view/1XJhSBhiyq/

"TOLD YA I'D DO MORE BRT THEN JTA! hee hee hee!

I do believe this map is achievable by 2040, but not with the current crop of driftwood guiding this place. A trend setting mass transit overhaul using two great innovations by two great world powers is sorely needed!

Paved Highways = Via Appia = Roman Empire, circa 312 BC, The Appian Way (Latin and Italian: Via Appia) was one of the earliest and strategically most important Roman roads of the ancient republic. It connected Rome to Brindisi, Apulia, in southeast Italy.

Railroads = The Diolkos = Greek Empire, 600 BC (Δίολκος, from the Greek διά, dia "across" and ὁλκός, holkos "portage machine") was a paved trackway near Corinth in Ancient Greece which enabled boats to be moved overland across the Isthmus of Corinth. Archaic Greece.

Okay, so I'm a full service 'smart ass.'

[thelakelander]

Will you be there tomorrow?

[Ocklawaha]

Somehow fell off the list, but I've got a email in to Ginny, if I get a high green, I'll be there!

(FYI - before somebody jumps off sides, 'HIGH GREEN' is a railroad term for 'go at track speed.')

[thelakelander]

You have a high green.

[Ocklawaha]

I'll come hobbling in tonight! See you there.

[cline]

FYI...the Adopted Needs Plan has been posted on the TPO's website.  There were changes made.  The Skyway extension project that was proposed to go to Five Points has been changed to Streetcar (like in the 2035 Plan). It also looks like the proposed skyway project that was from FSCJ to Shands has also been changed to Streetcar. 

There is also asterisks on all the streetcar projects that state that "Mode to be determined by feasibility study".  This is kind of dumb disclaimer since they are listed as "Streetcar" projects.  If the mode is unknown why call it out specifically as a streetcar project.

There may have been other changes made but I only looked at transit projects within the Downtown- Riverside/Avondale area.

http://pathforward2040.com/images/uploads/resources/2014-06-12_Table_Needs_Plan_Projects_.pdf

[Ocklawaha]

I've been chasing this along for 34 years now, and those ** have come to have a totally different meaning. I now translate this as:
** Some kind of transit improvement, were writing the word 'streetcar' in the blank to call off the dogs, but we happen to know a PCT is just as cute, and OMG, Skyway is how the cow eats the cabbage in Jacksonville.

[thelakelander]

That's what JTA wanted because they really want to do Skyway. I haven't had a chance to see the revised maps. Are the transit routes from the 2035 LRTP or the substituted stuff that was initially added in the Needs Plan.

[cline]

That's what JTA wanted because they really want to do Skyway. I haven't had a chance to see the revised maps. Are the transit routes from the 2035 LRTP or the substituted stuff that was initially added in the Needs Plan.

It looks like it is the routes from the 2035 Plan but I haven't really taken the time to study it yet.

[cline]

If you scroll to the end of this document you can see a project list that appears to show all the changes made to the Draft Need Plan.  In the meeting notes there is also discussion about future transit projects.  Specifically it says that all the descriptions will include skyway/streetcar for the future expansion of fixed guide way transit in downtown.

http://pathforward2040.com/images/uploads/resources/Steering_Committee_Meeting_June_4_-_Agenda_Package_and_Meeting_Notes.pdf