Headwaters of Julington Creek

[Overstreet]

I am unaware of any new developments with septic tanks. I suspect new developments will be on sanitary sewers.

[southsider1015]

I am unaware of any new developments with septic tanks. I suspect new developments will be on sanitary sewers.

I'm unaware of any as well. 

[southsider1015]

The path to clean water for Julington Creek is to replace septic systems with sewer infrastructure, not stopping this development.  Just want to help you rant about the project in a better way. 

You can't argue that the stormwater runoff from this development won't adversely impact the creek.  To what extend I can't answer.

Technically I could, given my knowledge and experience in the subject matter.   One could argue that the development would reduce the amount of natural habitat for critters, thereby reducing the amount of coloiform in the waters. But really, I just want to make sure people understand about why these particular waters are impaired.  The development is just icing on the cake for something to rant about.  The two issues of clean water and urban sprawl are really just that: two issues.

If Jacksonville were serious about cleaning up Julington Creek, we'd see JEA constructing sewer systems and forcemains.

[Overstreet]

Moving up stream Julington creek passes a couple of industrial parks and ends in that tirangle formed to the north by Baymeadows, to the east by I-95 and the west by Philips Hwy. 

[acme54321]

So you are saying that this development will not increase nutrient levels in the waterway via runoff?  Given your knowledge and experience in the subject matter of course.

[Noone]

I'd love to hear the technical stuff. Does anyone remember Dana Morton? Vince Seibold?  Ed the guy in the planning Dept. was sharing 3 categories of a flood plain or zone. Don't have the notes in front of me. But yes to a future nutrient increase that could then be trapped and I buy into the logic if you think you have algae blooms now.

Nobody was there. And are there any news stories anywhere about the guesstimates of these future nutrient point source discharges?

[Overstreet]

.......If Jacksonville were serious about cleaning up Julington Creek, we'd see JEA constructing sewer systems and forcemains.

Many of the businesses on Philips have been connected to sanitary. Many of the houses on the creek side of  Julington Creek road from St Aug to San Jose built on side streets or before the 90s are likely on septic.

[southsider1015]

.......If Jacksonville were serious about cleaning up Julington Creek, we'd see JEA constructing sewer systems and forcemains.

Many of the businesses on Philips have been connected to sanitary. Many of the houses on the creek side of  Julington Creek road from St Aug to San Jose built on side streets or before the 90s are likely on septic.

Just googled and found this:
https://www.jea.com/JEA_and_the_Environment/Wastewater/The_St__Johns_River.aspx
Impressive, and given the efforts, hopefully we'll see Julington Creek come off the list.

[southsider1015]

So you are saying that this development will not increase nutrient levels in the waterway via runoff?  Given your knowledge and experience in the subject matter of course.

Without knowing exactly what the development proposes, I obviously can't say that.  But I personally have performed nutrient loading calculations to determine pre and post loadings for a variety of development types, and its possible that this development could very well discharge less nitrogen and phosphorus than the predevelopment condition.  The stormwater ponds and/or dry retention areas could be oversized (typically for more lake front properties) to handle the additioal loadings, and then some.  I'm just saying that its possible, and not out of the question, as some here have suggested. 

[southsider1015]

I'd love to hear the technical stuff. Does anyone remember Dana Morton? Vince Seibold?  Ed the guy in the planning Dept. was sharing 3 categories of a flood plain or zone. Don't have the notes in front of me. But yes to a future nutrient increase that could then be trapped and I buy into the logic if you think you have algae blooms now.

Nobody was there. And are there any news stories anywhere about the guesstimates of these future nutrient point source discharges?

I don't understand much of your post(s).  I've met with Vince in the past, mainly when he was working on the Low Impact Development (LID) manual, which lost steam when he was fired. 

Nobody was there? Where?   I'm not aware of any news stories concerning this developments pollutant discharge.  Probably because that story wouldn't sell many papers or clicks.  But as with all development, the development will be required to meet SJRWMD's stormwater quality rules.  The current rules allow the applicant to design the ponds under presumptive criteria, meaning that if the design incorporates specific design aspects, it is presumed that the outfall runoff will have less nutrients than the predevelopment condition.  In specific watershed basins impaired for nitrogen and/or phosphorus, a more in depth analysis is typically required to determine pre and post loadings.  This basin is impaired for fecal coliform, not N or P, however, and since the development will be connected to sewer systems, and not septic, no additional constraints are imposed for stormwater quality.

[Noone]

Here is what Nooney was referring to - the Cypress Bluff development near 9B.
http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=542334
These properties are along Big Davis Creek that flows into Julington.

Dr. White with JU has a column in the TU today on wetlands.

[Noone]

Here is what Nooney was referring to - the Cypress Bluff development near 9B.
http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=542334
These properties are along Big Davis Creek that flows into Julington.

Thanks for posting. So what was the position of the St. Johns Riverkeeper on this project? Was this ever on the St. Johns Riverkeeper radar? Did JU way in on this project? I became aware of this like most of us in that there was a Public Hearing on this at a city council meeting and I don't recall anyone speaking. The next day there is a presentation given at a Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting that was so sparsely attended.

Vince Seibold- Environmental Ethics

So our Planning Dept recommends NO. Waterways votes YES and our St. Johns Riverkeeper is sitting in the front row and was never recognized or spoke to the presentation. The planning dept and just paraphrasing but given the vastness of the flood plain and if you think you have seen algae blooms in the past.

So today 3/3/12 there will be a celebration in the northern part of Duval county that will celebrate the Preservation of a sensitive ecosystem and at the same time lets all celebrate what just happened in the southern part of Duval county with the Preservation of another sensitive ecosystem.

Next Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting in two days.
Has anyone seen an agenda?
They used to be emailed out so everyone would know what to expect?
Cuts down on the Backroom deals.
Will councilman Don Redman city councilman for Dist. 4 share with everyone the highlights of the 4/2/14 noticed meeting on New Docking Rules?
Using the Submerged Sovereign Land Lease for the greater good.
Vince Seibold-Environmental Ethics
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