I-95/I-10 Operational Improvements Conceptual Plans

[Kay]

I don't understand the emphasis of Jacksonville not being unique with its highways cutting through our heart as if that makes it all OK.  Who cares if we are like most other cities.  We need to aspire for better. 

And we need folks who have the understanding that this highway does not need to expand, and the vision that we benefit if it can be downsized. 

[thelakelander]

Oh, no one ever said it was OK to have a superhighway cutting through the core of town or to lose grand neighborhoods like Sugar Hill in the process.

However, I've always operated on the idea that the best way to advocate for a cause is to do so rationally. If the goal is to attempt to get a road oriented entity to go in a multimodal direction, one can damage their position of credibility by making claims that can easily be proven as false or illogical, as a part of their argument. On the other hand, one can strengthen their position and influence when backed by strong technical data supporting their cause.

[I-10east]

Oh, no one ever said it was OK to have a superhighway cutting through the core of town or to lose grand neighborhoods like Sugar Hill in the process.

However, I've always operated on the idea that the best way to advocate for a cause is to do so rationally. If the goal is to attempt to get a road oriented entity to go in a multimodal direction, one can damage their position of credibility by making claims that can easily be proven as false or illogical, as a part of their argument. On the other hand, one can strengthen their position and influence when backed by strong technical data supporting their cause.

Well said Lake. Like you said earlier, and I've said for a while; Many think that all problems in Jax are 'unique' to this city, and that is far from the truth. When the US-17 flyover is completed, the FWB will basically be topped off. There's literally no where else to expand; Despite many being paranoid that the bridge will take over Riverside by 'further encroaching' into it. 

[tufsu1]

Please....DOT's all over the place make comments like "when this is built, we are done"..and then 10-15 years later they change their mind.

[I-10east]

^^^Where are they gonna build on the FWB after the US-17 flyover is completed? Adding a second US-17 lane? That doesn't sound realistic to me.

[Kay]

Oh, no one ever said it was OK to have a superhighway cutting through the core of town or to lose grand neighborhoods like Sugar Hill in the process.

However, I've always operated on the idea that the best way to advocate for a cause is to do so rationally. If the goal is to attempt to get a road oriented entity to go in a multimodal direction, one can damage their position of credibility by making claims that can easily be proven as false or illogical, as a part of their argument. On the other hand, one can strengthen their position and influence when backed by strong technical data supporting their cause.

Totally agree that the way you win is by being incredibly smart and professional in your approach. 

[thelakelander]

^^^Where are they gonna build on the FWB after the US-17 flyover is completed? Adding a second US-17 lane? That doesn't sound realistic to me.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that you don't solve a weight problem by buying a bigger belt. When it comes to the success of widening roads to relieve traffic congestion, look no further than the first tier cities of the South (ex. Atlanta, Miami, Houston, Dallas, DC). All have better transit systems, wider highways and all are still congested. Yet, also realize there's a political engine behind a lot of the things we do because several companies, people, development firms, industries, etc. make their livelihood off roadway construction.

Looking at the I-10/I-95 conceptual plans, it's pretty easy to see where future problems will start to generate. Basically, any place where traffic will have to merge because you're losing a through lane. Plus, for all the cars you shift through providing better multimodal options, they'll be replaced with new drivers as growth is still occurring in areas that lead to the straining of junctions like this.

Also, give it a few years, but I could easily see a point where that flyover to Roosevelt eventually leads to FDOT having to do something with the McDuff intersection.  Whenever that happens, Roosevelt will probably be limited access from I-10 to just north of FSCJ Kent Campus.

[Dog Walker]

dont forget reasonable and truthful!

You really need to direct that at FDOT since they have been neither.

[thelakelander]

^That just makes it easier for the public to advocate and gain local political support.

[I-10east]

Also, give it a few years, but I could easily see a point where that flyover to Roosevelt eventually leads to FDOT having to do something with the McDuff intersection.  Whenever that happens, Roosevelt will probably be limited access from I-10 to just north of FSCJ Kent Campus.

It's like you're reading my mind. I totally agree. I could totally see an Edgewood-esque overpath on top of Mc Duff in the distant future. Many don't like highway/road projects, but future infrastructure advancements are one of the issues of a growing city.

[tufsu1]

^ there are many ways to enhance infrastructure....and I would note that many of the most congested cities are also the most vibrant cities.

[mtraininjax]

It's like you're reading my mind. I totally agree. I could totally see an Edgewood-esque overpath on top of Mc Duff in the distant future. Many don't like highway/road projects, but future infrastructure advancements are one of the issues of a growing city.

LOL! If you think the Riverside people are up in arms, try pushing that down the throats of the Avondale people.

You guys crack me up.

[Josh]

Hopefully...... someday we can be on a list like this.

http://gizmodo.com/6-freeway-demolitions-that-changed-their-cities-forever-1548314937

[coredumped]

Hopefully...... someday we can be on a list like this.

http://gizmodo.com/6-freeway-demolitions-that-changed-their-cities-forever-1548314937

We could do this pretty easily now, route all 95 traffic to the east beltway/9b (a lot of truckers already do this) and have I-10 end at the west belt way. Unfortunately that will only give us more of what we have in the shipyards - empty waterfront property. If the core was bursting and running out of space I'd say it would be something to look at.

But right now I like that people see our skyline/waterfront on their way to cfla and sfla.

[IrvAdams]

Hopefully...... someday we can be on a list like this.

http://gizmodo.com/6-freeway-demolitions-that-changed-their-cities-forever-1548314937

These are cool alternative uses. Thanks.