Noticed Council Meeting: Fuller Warren Bridge

[icarus]

Its entirely possible.  What you are witnessing is departmental  intransigence .

I've worked with DOT engineers before. They operate on strict standards that they set internally. It almost takes an act of God to get them cooperate on an issue like this.

[thelakelander]

Image heavy story already in the works. Will run before Christmas. Also, we can be that act of God. We've done it before, so it's possible...

[ProjectMaximus]

Image heavy story already in the works. Will run before Christmas. Also, we can be that act of God. We've done it before, so it's possible...

[I-10east]

If they build a sidewalk on the FWB, it will have to be on the other side of the pile that supports that pedestrian bridge span (encroaching on Nemours, or whoevers land).

[icarus]

Image heavy story already in the works. Will run before Christmas. Also, we can be that act of God. We've done it before, so it's possible...

i'd really like to see that personally. if the original superstructure is sufficient to support the additional proposed spans and there really is a limit on same grade pedestrian access, I would think a suspended walkway/bike/pedestrian access would work just fine.

[Dog Walker]

You can put all of the lipstick you want in the way of bide/ped additions to that pig of a project and it still should be killed.

The ONLY reason it exists at all is that the district doesn't want to lose the money.  The need for this is simply made up.

[thelakelander]

The need for this is simply made up.

This is something that will be pretty difficult to prove from a technical point....

[Dog Walker]

The need for this is simply made up.

This is something that will be pretty difficult to prove from a technical point....

Not when they finally release traffic counts and accident occurrence numbers.  I'll bet that comparing the hourly road grades from before and after the new intersection was built will show that there is not nearly as much congestion on the new intersection as on the old.

If there were problems with the intersection, FDOT would have been talking to the TPO and getting changes into the work plan along with all of the other recommended projects that are in the pipeline.  There was NO talk of concerns with this intersection with anyone inside or outside the FDOT until the quick need for an interstate project was evident.

Better to let the money go to another district than waste it on a project that damages this city more.  The interstate should have been routed around the downtown bridges years ago; when the Dames Point Bridge was expanded.

[thelakelander]

I'm not sure crash rates really matter in the grand scheme of things. Auto LOS (Level of Service) and V/C Ratio (Volume/Capacity) will prove the opposite of the opinion of those who believe there's no problem. Forgoing $130 million spent locally is another thing that will be a major challenge politically.

[thelakelander]

BTW, you should be able to look up and download crash rates, traffic counts, etc. from FDOT's website. I'm not aware of them hiding this type of info.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Forgoing $130 million spent locally is another thing that will be a major challenge politically.

Please expound a bit on this concept. 

I posted this in another thread:

Can someone please clarify how much of the $130M they're expecting to keep 'local'?

Overland Bridge Project Contractor:
Archer Western Contractors, Inc. of Tampa

9B Contractor:
Archer Western Contractors
Atlanta, GA

295 / Collins Rd Contractor:
Superior Construction Co
2045 E Dunes Hwy, Gary, IN 46402

Matthews Bridge (Ongoing Maintenance and Repairs):
Intech Contracting, LLC of Lexington, Kentucky


I'm sure they source plenty of concrete/substrate etc from Gate.  And they probably hire some local subs to do some of the work, but seriously???  We don't to lost the $130M for this area?  Puh-leeze.

Is there any process in place to track how much 'local' spending actually stays 'local'?

[Dog Walker]

Local in this case means spent in District 2, not necessarily that is goes to local contractors.  They don't want the folks in Tallahassee to say, "Oh, they didn't need the money in District 2 so we'll give it to the Tampa Bay District."

[ricker]

Image heavy story already in the works. Will run before Christmas. Also, we can be that act of God. We've done it before, so it's possible...

Are sound walls included anywhere in the proposed scope of work?

What changes can we seek as the signage is a confusing mess for drivers unfamiliar with the entire area between 17/Edgewood, Luna/I-10, 8th/95, Emerson/95?

With such obstinance from the very entity capable of knocking Jax down the list of most dangerous MSA(s) for non motorized traffic, and thereby creating an enviable legacy by instead truly listening to the community, prevailing upon "the deciderers" leaves me with the feeling of defeat.

[thelakelander]

You're only defeated if you accept the initial negative response as face value.

[tufsu1]

Image heavy story already in the works. Will run before Christmas. Also, we can be that act of God. We've done it before, so it's possible...

Are sound walls included anywhere in the proposed scope of work?

the need for them would be evaluated during the PD&E process, which is apparently underway