Are We Poised for a War in Syria?

[Cheshire Cat]

Here is another taste of the potential nasty and death awaiting the world with a missile strike by the U.S. in Syria.  The folks who are chomping for war and want to see a final deadly conflict with Israel would love for American to take action. 

http://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-revolutionary-guards-chief-israel-will-be-destroyed-if-syria-attacked/

An American strike on Syria will result in the destruction of Israel and have severe repercussions for the US and its allies, the commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards said.

A possible war in Syria "will result in the imminent destruction of the Zionist regime of Israel," General Mohammad Ali Jafari said late Wednesday, according to a report Thursday in the state-sponsored Iranian Tasnim News Agency

[acme54321]

Do they revoke Nobel Peace prizes for inciting WWIII?

They damn well should. 

Let's be honest, they shouldn't have given it in the first place.

[Cheshire Cat]

Do they revoke Nobel Peace prizes for inciting WWIII?

They damn well should. 

Let's be honest, they shouldn't have given it in the first place.

And to be very truthful it is worth remembering that Obama did not himself think he deserved the prize and said as much. 

[Cheshire Cat]

Then there are the "questionable" rebel fighters, likely embedded with many an Al Qaeda terrorist among others.  They are not all about fighting for freedom and the brutality they bring to this war is frankly as chilling as that being meted out by Assad.  Anyone who is pretending that letting the rebel forces take control is going to make things better might be "horribly" mistaken.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/world/middleeast/brutality-of-syrian-rebels-pose-dilemma-in-west.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0

"For fifty years, they are companions to corruption," he said. "We swear to the Lord of the Throne, that this is our oath: We will take revenge."

The moment the poem ended, the commander, known as "the Uncle," fired a bullet into the back of the first prisoner's head. His gunmen followed suit, promptly killing all the men at their feet.

This scene, documented in a video smuggled out of Syria a few days ago by a former rebel who grew disgusted by the killings, offers a dark insight into how many rebels have adopted some of the same brutal and ruthless tactics as the regime they are trying to overthrow.

[If_I_Loved_you]

Swedish Reporter Actually Confronts Obama on His Nobel Peace Prize
Sep. 4, 2013 10:50am Fred Lucas

A Swedish reporter confronted President Barack Obama about reconciling a pending attack on Syria with his 2009 Nobel Peace Prize that he won almost immediately after taking office.
Obama and Sweden's Prime Minister Frederik Reinfeldt held a joint press conference Wednesday in Stockholm as part of the first ever bilateral meeting between the nation's two top leaders.

The reporter asked, "I was wondering, could you describe the dilemma to being a Nobel Peace Prize winner and getting ready to attack Syria?"

Obama first referred the reporter to look at his speech accepting the prize, in which he said he was undeserving compared to past recipients but also said the use of military force is sometimes necessary.

"What I also described is the challenge all of us face, when we believe in peace but we confront a world that is full of violence," Obama said. "The question then becomes what are our responsibilities. So, I've made every effort to end the war in Iraq, to wind down the war in Afghanistan, to strengthen our commitment to multilateral action, to promote diplomacy as a solution to problems. The question though, that all of us face as political leaders: At what point do we need to confront actions that are violating our common humanity?"

Answering his own question, Obama said, "I would argue when I see 400 children subjected to gas, over 1,400 civilians dying senselessly in an environment where you already have tens of thousands killed, and we have the opportunity to take some action that is meaningful even if it doesn't solve the entire problem, may at least mitigate this particular problem, then the moral thing to do is not to stand by and do nothing."

According to U.S. intelligence, Syrian dictator Bashar Assad used chemical weapons against his own people on Aug. 21, killing 1,429, of whom 426 were children.

Obama went on to reference how much of the world is critical of the United States, but expects them to step up during an international crisis.

"As much as we are criticized, when bad stuff happens around the world, the first question is, what is the United States going to do about it?" Obama said. "That's true on every issue. It's true in Libya. It's true in Rwanda. It's true in Sierra Leon. It's now true in Syria. That's part of the deal."

Most of the Nobel prizes are awarded in Stockholm. The Nobel Peace Prize, however, is awarded in Oslo, Norway.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/04/swedish-journalist-confronts-obama-on-being-a-nobel-peace-prize-winner-and-getting-ready-to-attack-syria/

[If_I_Loved_you]

Just how ugly can all of this get and where are we headed if we move to strike Syria?  Here is an indicator.  Russia how now moved it's missile cruiser to the Mediterranean.   Anyone one think Russia's leadership will back off their support of Syria?  Is it worth finding out?

Moscow has been Assad's most powerful ally, protecting him from consecutive U.N. security resolutions aimed at pressuring him to end violence. Russia insists the conflict must be solved through political dialogue in which Assad must take part.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/04/russian-missile-cruiser-mediterranean_n_3864741.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

Putin is a Dangerous Man look how many times he has been in power?

"Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin (Russian: Влади́мир Влади́мирович Пу́тин, IPA: [vɫɐˈdʲimʲɪr vɫɐˈdʲimʲɪrəvʲɪt͡ɕ ˈputʲɪn] ( listen); born 7 October 1952) is a Russian politician who has been the President of Russia since 7 May 2012. Putin previously served as President from 2000 to 2008, and as Prime Minister of Russia from 1999 to 2000 and again from 2008 to 2012. Putin was also previously the Chairman of the United Russia political party.

For sixteen years Putin was an officer in the KGB, rising to the rank of Lieutenant Colonel, before he retired to enter politics in his native Saint Petersburg in 1991. He moved to Moscow in 1996 and joined President Boris Yeltsin's administration where he rose quickly, becoming Acting President on 31 December 1999 when Yeltsin resigned unexpectedly. Putin won the subsequent 2000 presidential election and was re-elected in 2004. Because of constitutionally mandated term limits, Putin was ineligible to run for a third consecutive presidential term in 2008. Dmitry Medvedev won the 2008 presidential election and appointed Putin as Prime Minister, beginning a period of so-called "tandemocracy".[1] In September 2011, following a change in the law, Putin announced that he would seek a third, non-consecutive term as President in the 2012 presidential election, an announcement which led to large-scale protests in many Russian cities. He won the election in March 2012 and is serving an increased, six-year term.[2][3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin

[Cheshire Cat]

And those on the receiving end of American involvement are saying "no".

Qasioun Mountain, a symbol of Damascus and Syria, is home to many security and military buildings and institutions and thus is expected to be one of the targets for the airstrikes. Protesters rallying beside the place called themselves a "human shield" and hold banners featuring slogans such as "No more American bombing democracy" and "Hands off Syria".

"We are here to express our loyalty to our country in the face of American threats. We don't want what they did in Iraq over chemical weapons claims to be done in our country," one of the rally participants told RT.

http://rt.com/news/syria-activists-us-bombing-380/

[If_I_Loved_you]

And those on the receiving end of American involvement are saying "no".





http://rt.com/news/syria-activists-us-bombing-380/

I have Never been impressed with an adult who has Used a child to hold a sign in which. The child has no idea what is really going on?

[If_I_Loved_you]

If America doesn't hit Syria I hope we keep are ships near the area and sit there till real change happens!

[If_I_Loved_you]

Do they revoke Nobel Peace prizes for inciting WWIII?

They damn well should. 

The Nobel Peace Prize for 2009

The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.

Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts. The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations. Thanks to Obama's initiative, the USA is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting. Democracy and human rights are to be strengthened.

Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population.

For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world's leading spokesman. The Committee endorses Obama's appeal that "Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges."

Oslo, October 9, 2009        http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/press.html

[Cheshire Cat]

Last evening I watched a news report out of Germany. There was an exchange between President Ueli Maurer of Switzerland and President Obama who was saying that it was the "world" who drew the "red line" when it came to chemical weapons.  If this is correct the world then needs to decide what their "collective action should be".  It appears Switzerland's President feels the same way I do.  He affirmed that the use of chemical weapons was an atrocity and then stated that the issue needs to be resolved by the U.N.

[If_I_Loved_you]

Last evening I watched a news report out of Germany. There was an exchange between President Ueli Maurer of Switzerland and President Obama who was saying that it was the "world" who drew the "red line" when it came to chemical weapons.  If this is correct the world then needs to decide what their "collective action should be".  It appears Switzerland's President feels the same way I do.  He affirmed that the use of chemical weapons was an atrocity and then stated that the issue needs to be resolved by the U.N.

So we can all sing "We are the World" and feel good about ourselves. 

[Cheshire Cat]

Earlier we spoke about the military industry in the U.S. that is also a driver behind the desire to drop some missiles on Syria.  For those who don't get how political contributions buy votes, even when it comes to actions as drastic as stepping into Syria's civil war, this is a worthwhile read.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/09/syria-war-authorization-money/   (click link for full article)

Senators voting Wednesday to authorize a Syria strike received, on average, 83 percent more campaign financing from defense contractors than lawmakers voting against war.

Overall, political action committees and employees from defense and intelligence firms such as Lockheed Martin, Boeing, United Technologies, Honeywell International, and others ponied up $1,006,887 to the 17 members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee who voted yes or no on the authorization Wednesday, according to an analysis by Maplight, the Berkeley-based nonprofit that performed the inquiry at WIRED's request.

Committee members who voted to authorize what the resolution called a "limited" strike averaged $72,850 in defense campaign financing from the pot. Committee members who voted against the resolution averaged $39,770, according to the data.

[If_I_Loved_you]

Earlier we spoke about the military industry in the U.S. that is also a driver behind the desire to drop some missiles on Syria.  For those who don't get how political contributions buy votes, even when it comes to actions as drastic as stepping into Syria's civil war, this is a worthwhile read.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/09/syria-war-authorization-money/   (click link for full article)

Senators voting Wednesday to authorize a Syria strike received, on average, 83 percent more campaign financing from defense contractors than lawmakers voting against war.

Overall, political action committees and employees from defense and intelligence firms such as Lockheed Martin, Boeing, United Technologies, Honeywell International, and others ponied up $1,006,887 to the 17 members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee who voted yes or no on the authorization Wednesday, according to an analysis by Maplight, the Berkeley-based nonprofit that performed the inquiry at WIRED's request.

Committee members who voted to authorize what the resolution called a "limited" strike averaged $72,850 in defense campaign financing from the pot. Committee members who voted against the resolution averaged $39,770, according to the data.

Show me the Money nothing wrong with this.

[BridgeTroll]

And those on the receiving end of American involvement are saying "no".

Qasioun Mountain, a symbol of Damascus and Syria, is home to many security and military buildings and institutions and thus is expected to be one of the targets for the airstrikes. Protesters rallying beside the place called themselves a "human shield" and hold banners featuring slogans such as "No more American bombing democracy" and "Hands off Syria".

"We are here to express our loyalty to our country in the face of American threats. We don't want what they did in Iraq over chemical weapons claims to be done in our country," one of the rally participants told RT.

http://rt.com/news/syria-activists-us-bombing-380/

CC... you realize in a civil war there are usually at least two sides... one side supporting the current regime (your picture) and those who do not... most of them are in refugee camps