Richard Clark's Idea to fund Everbank Scoreboard and other expenses.

[Cheshire Cat]

I wish everyone would stop referring to the scoreboards when they talk about the project and like Khan is pimping the city. The team is actually footing almost all of the bill for the scoreboards. The city is required to contribute 6.5 million to the scoreboards. The remainder of the other 43 million is for the party deck etc etc. The city knew what they signed up for when getting an NFL. Khan has done more of his fair share since purchasing the team. I think we can at least meet him half way. And while we are on the subject of what should be priority in regard to capital improvement projects, does anyone have any insight? Probably not because we are not part of the city council.

Did you read exactly what I said in my original post?  Did you see that I acknowledged the Jags are a good thing for Jacksonville and the fact that Khan's buying the team is also a good thing? Did you notice that I also said that I "get the other funding sources" you are alluding to for the stadium?  Did you understand that my commentary was about "Richard Clarks" use of legislation in a way that was very smooth in order to accomplish something "he" wanted done?  The commentary is not anti Jags, anti Khan and certainly did not allude to him pimping Jax in any way. Come on now.  It was about how legislation is manipulated and sold and about priorities when it comes to our Capital Improvement Funds. 

Jeeze, it would be so nice if people read what was written in a less defensive mode and then digested it.  This is "not" about the value of the Jags or football. Relax!  lmao  (notice the smileys, not angry just bemused)

By the way didn't we just close some libraries cause we can't afford them?  Are we not talking about cuts to the JSO?

From your original post... what does this have to do with Capital Improvements

http://www.coj.net/my-jax-budget/city-budget/capital-improvement-plan.aspx

You've steered this conversation off course from your so-called point from the get-go. Are you trying to goad a discussion about slick politics or whether the Capital Projects budget should be funneled into pensions and libraries? 

I know I started the conversation and am attempting to keep people's focus on what the issue really is.  If that is steering the conversation, consider me guilty as charged.   

[Shwaz]

Are you trying to goad a discussion about slick politics or whether the Capital Projects budget should be funneled into pensions and libraries? 

[Cheshire Cat]

Are you trying to goad a discussion about slick politics or whether the Capital Projects budget should be funneled into pensions and libraries? 

  Not even going to attempt to answer cause you are certainly are not listening. lol 

[JayBird]

I think the confusion comes in trying to mix snark/sarcasm/humor with fact. Most would like to discuss the issue, but by clouding it with scoreboard talk it gets muddled from the beginning and then blocked or defended before even reading what the real issue is. I usually don't pay attention to the emoticons bc they're so small on my phone I'd need to change to bifocal contacts. Also, I don't really fault Clark. This is a politician playing the game. Just as any other does. Just as we do in our daily lives to get something we want.

Not putting words in your mouth Diane, but is the issue you were aiming for here: "is this a CIP fund project"? To that my opinion is yes, based on the fact that I believe CIP is meant for maintenance and improvements to city owned property/facilities. But I, and I assume many others, don't fully understand the difference between funds as it all comes out of our taxes so what's the difference.

[Cheshire Cat]

^Thank you for explaining to me what I was aiming for.  JB do you think you may just over analyze some commentary?   I don't disagree with your statements about the CIP but, gosh, golly gee kiddo!  Seems like you had the same issue with SC about "do gooders".  All things said are not always literal, even is serious conversations.  Look to the smilies for direction as to what is and isn't.

[Shwaz]

Are you trying to goad a discussion about slick politics or whether the Capital Projects budget should be funneled into pensions and libraries? 

  Not even going to attempt to answer cause you are certainly are not listening. lol 

OK... well then... when you figure out what is manipulative about adding a capital improvement project to the capital improvement project budget or what libraries & pensions have to do with capital improvement legislation... please let us all know.

[Cheshire Cat]

^Check out posts 5, 10 and 11 on this thread.  None of them by me by the way.  Again, reading the thread and then commenting is always a good idea.   If you have a problem with any of the other views and commentary about why this should not be a capital funds project, please let those posters know of your view.

Now if this is about wanting "the last word" on the issue, that's fine.  Continue to comment and I won't respond to your comments.  Then get the last word.  Cool beans!

[JayBird]

^Thank you for explaining to me what I was aiming for.  JB do you think you may just over analyze some commentary?   I don't disagree with your statements about the CIP but, gosh, golly gee kiddo!  Seems like you had the same issue with SC about "do gooders".  All things said are not always literal, even is serious conversations.  Look to the smilies for direction as to what is and isn't.

Guilty as charged, I overanslyze everything (thats actual my first quote on my FB page) which explains why my psychology degree came with ease and why I have such success in finance. I apologize it is just who I am, but always welcome constructive criticism because I am always trying to be better. Keep keeping me straight and I will pay more attention to context 

[JayBird]

But I truly wasn't sure if that's what you were aiming for, which is why I asked to clarify instead of assuming.

[Cheshire Cat]

^Thank you for explaining to me what I was aiming for.  JB do you think you may just over analyze some commentary?   I don't disagree with your statements about the CIP but, gosh, golly gee kiddo!  Seems like you had the same issue with SC about "do gooders".  All things said are not always literal, even is serious conversations.  Look to the smilies for direction as to what is and isn't.

Guilty as charged, I overanslyze everything (thats actual my first quote on my FB page) which explains why my psychology degree came with ease and why I have such success in finance. I apologize it is just who I am, but always welcome constructive criticism because I am always trying to be better. Keep keeping me straight and I will pay more attention to context 

It's all good.  Everyone learns from each other, well at least we hope they do.  Makes conversing much easier.

[Shwaz]

^Check out posts 5, 10 and 11 on this thread.  None of them by me by the way.  Again, reading the thread and then commenting is always a good idea.   If you have a problem with any of the other views and commentary about why this should not be a capital funds project, please let those posters know of your view.

Now if this is about wanting "the last word" on the issue, that's fine.  Continue to comment and I won't respond to your comments.  Then get the last word.  Cool beans!

I've read the thread... posts 5, 10 & 11 included. My response is still the same as my original post. Yes, it is a priority. It presents a clear opportunity for income through huge events that would also put Jacksonville on a national stage and over a 1/3 of the total cost will be covered by a private tenant.