Instead of Corporations, Why Not Invest in People?

[JayBird]

So IILY, in the Real World we are suppose to reward someone who just does the bare minimum to get by with pay increases just because ... Well just because they showed up? The ladder exists in every class, every job, every social setting ... If you aren't climbing it you are waiting to expire ... It's a ladder. If you think someone cannot survive off of $15/hr come visit me at 134 Church Street (Immaculate Conception) some Saturday morning and I'll introduce you to 100+ families that survive on less than $250/week before taxes. Not to mention the millions in the state who survive off of $200 each month is good stamps plus an $1100/month disability check.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

No.  No you never said that's what you make, but you must have some sort of personal insight to the situation based on:

God Ock even $15.00 an hour doesn't get you very far today.

Well the newspapers and internet have been talking about what fast food workers would like to be paid? And then you look at the costs around Jacksonville Fl. 

Good point.  I tend you rely more heavily on what I read in the news and see on the internet than what I see in person with my own eyes all the time.  And the costs, OMG the freaking COSTS!!!!!!!   Of what?   Are we looking at the costs of groceries, gas, entertainment, utilities...  what?

So what you're saying is....  you don't have a clue how far a $15/hr job will get you.  But thanks for playing.

[JayBird]

No.  No you never said that's what you make, but you must have some sort of personal insight to the situation based on:

God Ock even $15.00 an hour doesn't get you very far today.

Well the newspapers and internet have been talking about what fast food workers would like to be paid? And then you look at the costs around Jacksonville Fl. 

What a group of people would like to be paid and what the reality of the world dictates are usually two very different things. That $15 for fast food stemmed from a union in NYC demanding more money for the workers they represent, which in turn gives them more money in their pockets. However, even their attempt at protesting fall flat on their face with barely a showing. Why? Because no one is suppose to make a career out of being a line worker at McDonalds. If you choose to, more power to you for being happy in life, but it is not supposed to be the benchmark.

[fsquid]

If you aren't motivated to go up the ladder, you usually find yourself let go at my company unless you just have a niche that we find essential.

[If_I_Loved_you]

Who does he think the corporations are? Nameless, faceless, monsters living in big boxes? Corporations ARE people, they are made up of business people, entrepreneur's, skilled and unskilled workers, in fact that corporation itself is an invisible 'person' with rights to buy, sell and trade as any other person has.

Minimum wage was never supposed to be a 'living wage.' it is merely an entry level into the business world. Don't progress, educate yourself and move forward, and you can stay at that entry level for a lifetime. Get that education or training and you can climb the ladder.

We have become a 'nanny state' with a legion of 'victims' thinking they are owed something. If you want the rewards, you need to pay the dues.

So anyone can move up the business ladder of life? Poppy Cock not everyone wants or can move up the ladder. So if they stay on the bottom of the ladder they should always be paid the lowest wage? What World do you live in Fantasy Land? God Ock even $15.00 an hour doesn't get you very far today. With gas at $3.58 a gallon and the cost of food through the roof. 

If they don't want to move up the ladder, then yes they should be getting the lowest wage.  If the person doesn't want to better himself (or herself) then why do they deserve to get paid equivalent to a person who wants something better and is willing to work for it? 
The way it used to work was someone came in at the bottom and moved up the ladder to a better job (or new company) with better wages and some new person would come in and replace the person at the bottom.

So the people who don't move up because they don't want to should live like crap? Well it looks like it's time for the Fast food Workers to Strike? But don't worry about your job here in the good old state of Florida we are a right to work state. So when your boss lets you go they don't have to tell you why. And that Unemployed Engineer that hasn't worked in 18 months can take over. Because he/she can't stand not working anymore!

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

If you aren't motivated to go up the ladder, you usually find yourself let go at my company unless you just have a niche that we find essential.

I actually got off the ladder about 6 months ago and am loving every minute of it.  It does require that one thing that IILY keeps hinting around regarding the bare minimum, though - it's called motivation.  Some people have it, some don't.  The minimum wage for people who run their own show is -$0-, so there is that.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

So the people who don't move up because they don't want to should live like crap?

Absolutely!

[JayBird]

Who does he think the corporations are? Nameless, faceless, monsters living in big boxes? Corporations ARE people, they are made up of business people, entrepreneur's, skilled and unskilled workers, in fact that corporation itself is an invisible 'person' with rights to buy, sell and trade as any other person has.

Minimum wage was never supposed to be a 'living wage.' it is merely an entry level into the business world. Don't progress, educate yourself and move forward, and you can stay at that entry level for a lifetime. Get that education or training and you can climb the ladder.

We have become a 'nanny state' with a legion of 'victims' thinking they are owed something. If you want the rewards, you need to pay the dues.

So anyone can move up the business ladder of life? Poppy Cock not everyone wants or can move up the ladder. So if they stay on the bottom of the ladder they should always be paid the lowest wage? What World do you live in Fantasy Land? God Ock even $15.00 an hour doesn't get you very far today. With gas at $3.58 a gallon and the cost of food through the roof. 

If they don't want to move up the ladder, then yes they should be getting the lowest wage.  If the person doesn't want to better himself (or herself) then why do they deserve to get paid equivalent to a person who wants something better and is willing to work for it? 
The way it used to work was someone came in at the bottom and moved up the ladder to a better job (or new company) with better wages and some new person would come in and replace the person at the bottom.

So the people who don't move up because they don't want to should live like crap? Well it looks like it's time for the Fast food Workers to Strike? But don't worry about your job here in the good old state of Florida we are a right to work state. So when your boss lets you go they don't have to tell you why. And that Unemployed Engineer that hasn't worked in 18 months can take over. Because he/she can't stand not working anymore!

So bottom line, you believe that people should get raises just for showing up?

[CityLife]

Who does he think the corporations are? Nameless, faceless, monsters living in big boxes? Corporations ARE people, they are made up of business people, entrepreneur's, skilled and unskilled workers, in fact that corporation itself is an invisible 'person' with rights to buy, sell and trade as any other person has.

Minimum wage was never supposed to be a 'living wage.' it is merely an entry level into the business world. Don't progress, educate yourself and move forward, and you can stay at that entry level for a lifetime. Get that education or training and you can climb the ladder.

We have become a 'nanny state' with a legion of 'victims' thinking they are owed something. If you want the rewards, you need to pay the dues.

So anyone can move up the business ladder of life? Poppy Cock not everyone wants or can move up the ladder. So if they stay on the bottom of the ladder they should always be paid the lowest wage? What World do you live in Fantasy Land? God Ock even $15.00 an hour doesn't get you very far today. With gas at $3.58 a gallon and the cost of food through the roof. 

If they don't want to move up the ladder, then yes they should be getting the lowest wage.  If the person doesn't want to better himself (or herself) then why do they deserve to get paid equivalent to a person who wants something better and is willing to work for it? 
The way it used to work was someone came in at the bottom and moved up the ladder to a better job (or new company) with better wages and some new person would come in and replace the person at the bottom.

So the people who don't move up because they don't want to should live like crap? Well it looks like it's time for the Fast food Workers to Strike? But don't worry about your job here in the good old state of Florida we are a right to work state. So when your boss lets you go they don't have to tell you why. And that Unemployed Engineer that hasn't worked in 18 months can take over. Because he/she can't stand not working anymore!

I realize you're trolling...but if you really want to see strikes and protests, wait till you see what all the young college graduates making $15-$20 an hour do when they find out they could have dropped out of high school, worked at Wal Mart and not had any student loan debt. Talk about a revolution....

[If_I_Loved_you]

Who does he think the corporations are? Nameless, faceless, monsters living in big boxes? Corporations ARE people, they are made up of business people, entrepreneur's, skilled and unskilled workers, in fact that corporation itself is an invisible 'person' with rights to buy, sell and trade as any other person has.

Minimum wage was never supposed to be a 'living wage.' it is merely an entry level into the business world. Don't progress, educate yourself and move forward, and you can stay at that entry level for a lifetime. Get that education or training and you can climb the ladder.

We have become a 'nanny state' with a legion of 'victims' thinking they are owed something. If you want the rewards, you need to pay the dues.

So anyone can move up the business ladder of life? Poppy Cock not everyone wants or can move up the ladder. So if they stay on the bottom of the ladder they should always be paid the lowest wage? What World do you live in Fantasy Land? God Ock even $15.00 an hour doesn't get you very far today. With gas at $3.58 a gallon and the cost of food through the roof. 

If they don't want to move up the ladder, then yes they should be getting the lowest wage.  If the person doesn't want to better himself (or herself) then why do they deserve to get paid equivalent to a person who wants something better and is willing to work for it? 
The way it used to work was someone came in at the bottom and moved up the ladder to a better job (or new company) with better wages and some new person would come in and replace the person at the bottom.

So the people who don't move up because they don't want to should live like crap? Well it looks like it's time for the Fast food Workers to Strike? But don't worry about your job here in the good old state of Florida we are a right to work state. So when your boss lets you go they don't have to tell you why. And that Unemployed Engineer that hasn't worked in 18 months can take over. Because he/she can't stand not working anymore!

So bottom line, you believe that people should get raises just for showing up?

No! One must do the work I'm not saying give people $15.00 dollars an hour and do nothing.

[If_I_Loved_you]

Who does he think the corporations are? Nameless, faceless, monsters living in big boxes? Corporations ARE people, they are made up of business people, entrepreneur's, skilled and unskilled workers, in fact that corporation itself is an invisible 'person' with rights to buy, sell and trade as any other person has.

Minimum wage was never supposed to be a 'living wage.' it is merely an entry level into the business world. Don't progress, educate yourself and move forward, and you can stay at that entry level for a lifetime. Get that education or training and you can climb the ladder.

We have become a 'nanny state' with a legion of 'victims' thinking they are owed something. If you want the rewards, you need to pay the dues.

So anyone can move up the business ladder of life? Poppy Cock not everyone wants or can move up the ladder. So if they stay on the bottom of the ladder they should always be paid the lowest wage? What World do you live in Fantasy Land? God Ock even $15.00 an hour doesn't get you very far today. With gas at $3.58 a gallon and the cost of food through the roof. 

If they don't want to move up the ladder, then yes they should be getting the lowest wage.  If the person doesn't want to better himself (or herself) then why do they deserve to get paid equivalent to a person who wants something better and is willing to work for it? 
The way it used to work was someone came in at the bottom and moved up the ladder to a better job (or new company) with better wages and some new person would come in and replace the person at the bottom.

So the people who don't move up because they don't want to should live like crap? Well it looks like it's time for the Fast food Workers to Strike? But don't worry about your job here in the good old state of Florida we are a right to work state. So when your boss lets you go they don't have to tell you why. And that Unemployed Engineer that hasn't worked in 18 months can take over. Because he/she can't stand not working anymore!

I realize you're trolling...but if you really want to see strikes and protests, wait till you see what all the young college graduates making $15-$20 an hour do when they find out they could have dropped out of high school, worked at Wal Mart and not had any student loan debt. Talk about a revolution....

God I love it when you Know it all's bring out the Trolling Card you remind me of Conservative Republicans!

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

So bottom line, you believe that people should get raises just for showing up?

Unfortunately, this is a concept that IILY probably will never understand. 

Personal story:  I have worked at Lowe's.  And about 7 years ago, I signed up, part-time (10-15 hrs/wk) for insurance benefits only.  I had a full time job with shitty insurance.  Theirs was better.  After 6 months of working there, I had to leave.  Why?  Because I did show up.  And my 10-15 started becoming 25, 30. 34...  basically they wanted more of me because if I was on the schedule, I'd show up.  It's amazing how many of these people that NEED a job, can't seem to SHOW UP.  And granted, there are those who show up and bust ass, but they're not the ones crying for a raise in the MINIMUM wage.  It's people like IILY that don't have a clue what the average, lower end employee deals with on a personal level - only what they've :

Well the newspapers and internet have been talking about what fast food workers would like to be paid?

you know, READ ABOUT in the newspaper. 

[JayBird]

So you're really advocating for an across the board minimum wage increase. In 1996 when I first entered the legal workforce working during summers the min wage was 5.15. Today it is 7.35. Do we really have more money? I think it never works out that way, inevitably the cost is passed on to consumer. If the minimum wage was $15, you would still be here posting how they really need $23 an hour.

[JayBird]

So bottom line, you believe that people should get raises just for showing up?

Unfortunately, this is a concept that IILY probably will never understand. 

Personal story:  I have worked at Lowe's.  And about 7 years ago, I signed up, part-time (10-15 hrs/wk) for insurance benefits only.  I had a full time job with shitty insurance.  Theirs was better.  After 6 months of working there, I had to leave.  Why?  Because I did show up.  And my 10-15 started becoming 25, 30. 34...  basically they wanted more of me because if I was on the schedule, I'd show up.  It's amazing how many of these people that NEED a job, can't seem to SHOW UP.  And granted, there are those who show up and bust ass, but they're not the ones crying for a raise in the MINIMUM wage.  It's people like IILY that don't have a clue what the average, lower end employee deals with on a personal level - only what they've :

Well the newspapers and internet have been talking about what fast food workers would like to be paid?

you know, READ ABOUT in the newspaper. 

+100

[If_I_Loved_you]

So you're really advocating for an across the board minimum wage increase. In 1996 when I first entered the legal workforce working during summers the min wage was 5.15. Today it is 7.35. Do we really have more money? I think it never works out that way, inevitably the cost is passed on to consumer. If the minimum wage was $15, you would still be here posting how they really need $23 an hour.

Not true, besides it isn't going to happen. Corporations will keep the matrix going just about forever?