Zimmerman Found Not Guilty

[sheclown]

^To demand justice ... What exactly do they propose to get justice?

Angela Cory's head on a platter for starters.

Clearly repeal of the "Stand your ground" laws.

[NotNow]

Serious question Sheclown, How would either of those = justice?

[sheclown]

Serious question Sheclown, How would either of those = justice?

I think mostly at this early stage (and this is purely conjecture) it is being together to share outrage and pain and find comfort in community.

[NotNow]

Thanks Sheclown, I appreciate your opinion.  My personal experience and opinion often seems so different from some here.  I find it interesting to try to see where people develop their beliefs.   Read this article and tell me what you think (I agree with its premis):

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/07/radical-gun-control-zombies-exploit-grieving-black-community//#more

[Cheshire Cat]

Have you ever noticed that some of the forum threads kind of end up with this conversation?  lol  I hope everyone accepts this share in the spirit of fun with which I mean it. 

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1394514250766136&set=vb.136336876521150&type=2&theater

Ha!  That does sound like us!

I tell you what.  I chuckled all the way through this video. 

[Cheshire Cat]

^To demand justice ... What exactly do they propose to get justice?

Angela Cory's head on a platter for starters.

Clearly repeal of the "Stand your ground" laws.

Angela Corey is completely doable! She can keep her head but take it with her someplace far far away where judgement and agenda by one is the norm.

The reality with regard to a full recall of Stand your Ground is that it will not be repealed.  The reason is the politics and the influence the NRA has on them financially and via the public as well as sitting politicians and impact on those seeking office.  You know I am not a gun person by any stretch but the most those who are going after SYG can hope to accomplish is a review and with enough pressure a rewrite of some portions.  The fact is politicians are not afraid of those currently calling for the repeal. Rick Scott a prime example.  Politicians also know that it is not just conservatives who own guns, but liberals and others.  Ownership also crosses all racial lines.  What Scott told protestors was that he would "not" call a special legislative session nor would he call for a repeal of Stand Your Ground.  He did say "I appreciate you" political rhetoric for "go away and shut up, but please vote for me later".  He also called for a "Day of Prayer"!  I remember Peyton doing that in the face of past struggles here in Jacksonville and so has Brown.  This will turn on politics and politicians response to the issue and not pure morality and that is the sad truth in 2013. 

[JayBird]

Once again the voice of reason Diane, thank you and I fully agree with your analysis

[Ocklawaha]

I don't own a gun, and with the Stand Your Ground BS going on right now, I don't know how I'd react if someone were to run up on me with a gun, demanding money or something, if I had a gun. I carry a mighty large pocket knife, but would that save me? And, if I used it in self defense, then what?

Deathstar, NEVER BRING A KNIFE TO A GUN FIGHT! 

[NotNow]

a child is killed and a florida law lets the murderer walk and you think its about race?

Well ok, coredumped.  thats the problem.

I was not one of the people who cheered when OJ Simpson got off for murdering his ex wife.  I thought it was a terrible miscarriage of justice, and I was down that entire day.

But he didnt get off because California had a law which created certain circumstances where he could murder his wife and not be guilty of a crime.  He got off because the Jury did not believe that he had actually been present for the crime.

Thats not what happened here.  Zimmerman admitting to killing the child.

If you cant understand that, I think it says more about your filters than it does about the public reaction.

StephenDare!, to repeat....Zimmerman claimed self defense.  The jury, after reviewing the evidence and hearing all of the witnesses as well as the arguments of opposing council, agreed that the available evidence showed him to be not guilty.  There is not a state in the union that has a differing law on self defense.  Blaming the "law" of Florida  for this verdict is a false argument. 

[carpnter]

a child is killed and a florida law lets the murderer walk and you think its about race?

Well ok, coredumped.  thats the problem.

I was not one of the people who cheered when OJ Simpson got off for murdering his ex wife.  I thought it was a terrible miscarriage of justice, and I was down that entire day.

But he didnt get off because California had a law which created certain circumstances where he could murder his wife and not be guilty of a crime.  He got off because the Jury did not believe that he had actually been present for the crime.

Thats not what happened here.  Zimmerman admitting to killing the child.

If you cant understand that, I think it says more about your filters than it does about the public reaction.

StephenDare!, to repeat....Zimmerman claimed self defense.  The jury, after reviewing the evidence and hearing all of the witnesses as well as the arguments of opposing council, agreed that the available evidence showed him to be not guilty.  There is not a state in the union that has a differing law on self defense.  Blaming the "law" of Florida  for this verdict is a false argument.

Sorry, but the juror instructions included stand your ground law.  Just because Zimmerman didnt use it as part of his official defense when it came to trial doesnt mean that the law just blinked out of existence, as you are claiming in your argument.

You are being disingenuous.

Stephen, your problem is you think you know exactly what happened that night when you really don't.  The jury heard all of the evidence, listened to all of the testimony, and could not say he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.   I bet your mind has been made up since this story hit the news months ago.

What if, Martin did attack Zimmerman first as was alleged and he was beating him, it is reasonable that someone could be scared that their life is in danger and react the way Zimmerman did. 

[I-10east]

The latest is a woman clerk killed in a robbery gone wrong at the Metro PCS on Main. I drove right by it wondering what the hell was going on.

www.news4jax.com/news/jso-clerk-shot-killed-inside-cell-phone-store/-/475880/21086406/-/7chpeq/-/index.html

[johnnyman]

Two morons duk'n it out.  One loses one wins.   Let's move on people. 

[thelakelander]

What if, Martin did attack Zimmerman first as was alleged and he was beating him, it is reasonable that someone could be scared that their life is in danger and react the way Zimmerman did.

This is where the law needs to be fleshed out more, IMO. The evidence indicates GZ initiated the entire thing by profiling and following TM.  No doubt, he feared for his life when the victim turned the tables on him.  However, many don't believe the aggressor should be allowed to shoot people, at the point he feels threatened and then walk away free.  This is what most of the commotion is about.

[thelakelander]

I wouldn't take Rick Scott's opinion on the matter as a setback. That should have been expected. I still see some of these laws getting fleshed out a bit.  The key will be to see what type of political pressure is received and how long it lasts. This is something that isn't going to simply go away.

[sheclown]

BBC News

20 July 2013 Last updated at 21:01 ET

Trayvon Martin: Protests across US at Zimmerman verdict

Protests have taken place in more than 100 US cities, a week after George Zimmerman was cleared of murdering unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin.

Demonstrators demanded federal charges to be brought against Mr Zimmerman, 29, over the February 2012 incident.

A Florida jury agreed that the neighbourhood watch volunteer killed the 17-year-old in self-defence.

In comments on Friday, President Barack Obama admitted many black men in the US experienced racial profiling.

    Today it was my son. Tomorrow it might be yours"


The protests against the court's decision were led by the National Action Network, headed by civil rights activist the Reverend Al Sharpton.

"We are not coming out with violence, we are coming to denounce violence. The violence that was perpetrated on an unarmed, innocent man named Trayvon Martin," Mr Sharpton told at a rally in New York.

Thousands gathered for "Justice for Trayvon" protests in at least 100 other cities across America, including Atlanta, Chicago, Los Angeles and Miami.

Mr Sharpton told supporters on Saturday morning that he wanted to see the scrapping of "stand your ground" self-defence laws, such as that in force in Florida.
Tracy Martin, the father of Trayvon Martin, speaks at a rally in Miami. Photo: 20 July 2013 Trayvon Martin's father was among those who rallied in Miami

"We are trying to change laws so that this never, ever happens again," he said.

The teenager's mother, Sybrina Fulton, told the crowd: "Today it was my son. Tomorrow it might be yours."

Rapper Jay Z and his wife, the singer Beyonce, appeared on stage at the New York rally.

In Miami, Trayvon Martin's father, Tracy Martin, was among those who gathered to the words of the civil rights song We Shall Overcome.
'Could have been me'

In an unexpected press call on Friday, Mr Obama said very few black men in the US had not experienced racial profiling.

Mr Obama said the pain that African-Americans felt around the case came from the fact that they viewed it through "a set of experiences and a history that doesn't go away".

He said African Americans were also keenly aware of racial disparities in the application of criminal laws.

"That all contributes to a sense that if a white male teen was involved in the same kind of scenario, both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different," Mr Obama said.

"When Trayvon Martin was first shot, I said that this could have been my son. Another way of saying that is Trayvon Martin could have been me, 35 years ago."

He shared his experiences of being racially profiled in the past, such as being followed while out shopping.

"There are very few African-American men who haven't had the experience of walking across the street and hearing the locks click on the doors of cars.

"There are very few African-Americans who haven't had the experience of getting on an elevator and a woman clutching her purse nervously and holding her breath until she has a chance to get off," he said.

Mr Obama called for the protests to remain peaceful, saying any violence "dishonours what happened to Trayvon Martin".

He said that although criminal matters and law enforcement were traditionally dealt with on a state and not a federal level, it would be useful to examine some state and local laws to see if they encourage confrontation in certain situations.

On Wednesday, US Attorney General Eric Holder cited the case as he urged a nationwide review of the "stand your ground" laws, which permit the use of deadly force if a person feels seriously threatened.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23390975?ocid=socialflow_facebook_bbcws