Feedback Discussion: Episode One of "Why We Cant Have Nice Things"

[fieldafm]

That bus video was awesome.

[John P]

People enjoy educated and interesting talk about local issues. You do not need to be over the top or sensational in my opinion. Remember when that Urban Core podcast was made? I think the morning show on 899 fm shows that theres a market for it.

[thelakelander]

Meh.  We've been a mixture of many things from the beginning.  The segment was co written by several of us, and its awesome, pretty proud of the work we did as we are developing this project, actually.

I apparently wasnt sent the memo about Metrojacksonville's sudden antipathy for snark, btw.  As I recall its always been with us.  And thats a good thing.  People get tired of 'angry', which was a very common complaint during the WLA proceedings.

Take for example this pretty snarky post from 2005.  I think you might have written it, in fact, Ennis. 

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2006-apr-mayor-peytons-smaller-ideas

Is it just me or does Mayor Peyton's 'Big Ideas' proposal seem to be shrinking into a 'Smaller and smaller ideas' plan? Let's follow the evolution of the "Big Ideas" together.When the "Big Ideas" were first announced (leaked, the Mayor says), the Mayor's new downtown initiatives seemed to be plastered over every print, radio and TV news outlet in Jacksonville.

Published March 29, 2006 in News  - Edit Article

And Peyton and his dream team quickly went into overdrive to force feed the Jacksonville masses on a healthy diet of “Big Ideas”. It started when the Mayor’s office personally invited over 150 friends and Jacksonville business leaders to two meetings in one week back in late February. At these meetings he, Mike Saylor (City Planning Director) and Ron Barton gave a dog and pony show to highlight the Big Ideas. And, within two weeks, there was an internal email among the Mayor’s staff that referred to Peyton’s upcoming “stumping schedule” over the following several weeks, at which Saylor and Barton were also to be present for show and tell (but not so much listening if the first two meetings were any indication).

and then of course there was this doozy, also from 2006
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2007-jan-metro-jacksonvilles-stance-on-brad-thoburn-appointment

Metro Jacksonville had the opportunity to interview Thoburn for the position. He was gracious and answered all of our questions without hesitation. In addition, Mayor John Peyton stopped by a recent meeting of Metro Jacksonville with Policy Chief Adam Hollingsworth to discuss his thoughts behind the suggested appointment of Thoburn. Mayor Peyton referred to Thoburn as one of the smartest people he's known and also pointed to Thoburn's work with The Better Jacksonville Plan, the Growth Management Task Force and his proven track record of acquiring state and federal funds for local projects.

We'd like to thank Brad Thoburn, Adam Hollingsworth and Mayor John Peyton for taking time out of their schedule to meet personally with Metro Jacksonville. Nothing obligated them to do this and it was definitely appreciated; and we thank them for their time.

During the interview with Thoburn, he was asked many questions on topics ranging from New Urbanism and the current zoning code and past planning positives and negatives to comparisons to other cities and how downtown relates to other surrounding neighborhoods. Frankly, we felt that the answers that we received were those that would be expected from a planning department office manager, not that of a Planning Director.

Both Thoburn and Mayor Peyton discussed how the position is largely managerial and administrative, and that we hire planners for the actual "planning work". However, that is not the intent of the position, despite Mayor Peyton's observance as such. If the purpose of the Planning Director is to be an administrator, why does the ordinance require a master's degree in Urban Planning or a related field, and ten years of managerial experience, five of which are in a planning organization? If Mayor Peyton felt that the position was truly managerial, then why doesn't he ask the city council to change the requirements; instead of waiving them solely for this candidate?

The bottom line is that Brad Thoburn is simply not qualified for the position. He seems to possess many positive leadership qualities, is a decent manager of people, has good interpersonal skills and has experience working in Washington, D.C. for the late Congresswoman Tillie Fowler; which should prove invaluable to this administration. It seems Thoburn can be an invaluable and irreplaceable resource for the administration, but not in the position of Planning Director.

The people of this great city deserve the best city planner that can be found. Mayor Peyton's office stated that they received in excess of 50 resumes for the position, but that none of the candidates were even worthy of an interview. This may be the case; but if it's true, then the people of Jacksonville deserve a more exhaustive search, they do not deserve Mayor Peyton throwing in the towel when the city doesn't find the ideal candidate on the first round of inquiry.

In recent editorials, some have stated that the mayor should have the right to pick his own team and the City Council should just "go along with it". However, the city code declares that the City Council must confirm the mayor's decision â€" this is called checks and balances and is an integral part of any high school civics class. Some have also gone on to say how Mayor Peyton is the one person who is ultimately responsible for any decisions that Thoburn makes. However, who has to live with those decisions, good or bad? The citizens of Jacksonville.

The Jacksonville City Council should be offended by the notion that columnists in our local media would infer that they should just go along with anything, particularly an appointment that they have an official and legal responsibility to objectively critique. The City Council has the responsibility to ensure that any mayor appoint the most qualified person available for a particular position; and Metro Jacksonville refuses to believe that Brad Thoburn is the most qualified person available and willing to serve Jacksonville as Planning Director. We truly believe that Jacksonville deserves the best, and because of that, we respectfully request that the Jacksonville City Council deny Mayor Peyton's request that the job requirements for the position of Planning Director be waived.

We will continue to be a lot of voices, I think.  Not all of us will agree, but all are welcome to participate.

Hmmm. The first is not me.  I've never published a story without imagery.  I'm pretty consistent at that. It doesn't even look like a real article.  It looks like a forum post that was pulled into the article format.

The second was a group created letter. It actually address core issues we all had at the time with the hiring and the reasoning behind our unified position.  Nothing wrong with that from my view.

[thelakelander]

I don't even see the Brad Thoburn opinion piece as snarky.  It's kind of well written in which the casual viewer can clearly understand the "group's" position and how we arrived at that conclusion.  It was even co-written by all of us.  I actually think we should do that more often, especially when election time rolls around. Thanks for pulling it out of the grave.

[thelakelander]

That would be great.  Jacksonville truly needs us to step up.

[CityLife]

Yea I also think the Thoburn piece was very well done. Would like to see a lot more of that next election cycle.

[JayBird]

^ +1,000

Thank you Stephen for giving your opinions. Much obliged. Since this was 'a great piece that will get more coverage' than others ... maybe we could actually about the message and not the messenger.