Live Blogging: City Council Mobility Fee Moratorium & Metropolitan Park

[Cheshire Cat]

Current speaker making good points about complaints by the same people going back 15 years over other types of concerts.

[TheCat]

Current speaker:

Every neighborhood has benefits, advantages and problems. In the northside, he can't believe that people are able to sleep and eat around the worst smelling factories. Goes through a list of neighborhoods and lists their problems. BEST SPEAKER TONIGHT. Everyone else in this city has to live with the problems in their areas. These people (St. nichloas people) are never going to be satisfied. They should either move or live with it like the rest of us have to deal with our individual neighborhood issues that we can't legislate away.

[simms3]

Jacksonville is soooo family friendly...that alone kills the vibe for young people.  You can't attract today's modern generations if they have to assimilate to a society that seems to only accept traditional Christian families and their value system and their wishes.  If I had to worry about offending kids everywhere I went, well - I'd be banished pretty quickly.

Metropolitan Park is even an issue?  They have like 10 events a year...LoL  and nobody really lives close enough to justify concern.  This is an even worse argument than richies who buy 40th floor condos in the Four Seasons in SF, NYC, Atlanta or Miami and then complain when the Ritz Carlton wants to build a Residences tower next door, thus destroying their "views" they are so obviously entitled to.  So you live a mile or two away down the river...and you're complaining about a very rare concert that sometimes happens at night and your kids might be exposed to people other than yourself saying Fuck?

BTW if I remember correctly (having gone to hang out with the peers at some nighttime gathering at his house via his son), Bill Bishop lives on the water in Arlington.  Perhaps he is in the same group who is miffed at the 5 concerts or so that happen in a given year where if you listen hard enough in your backyard you might be able to pick up a barely discernible "fuck".  I'll tell you what - the train that roars through Ortega/Ortega Forest 20 or so times a day blasting its horn the whole way no matter the hour is genuinely more noisy than the noisiest hotel room I have ever stayed in NYC.  THAT's worth complaining about.

LoL

And...if I am reading this conversation correctly, the councilmembers can grill citizens who come up to comment?  OMFG I don't think that happens anywhere else.  I watch a lot of government TV and have attended and/or spoken (once) at one council event in both Atlanta and SF...we get a time period, one buzzer goes off to signify 15 or 30 seconds left depending, another goes off, you finish your statement, and they call the next person up.  Not ever have I seen a publicly elected official grill, question, or even directly address a citizen who speaks up at these types of events.

[thelakelander]

Stage or pavilion?

[Cheshire Cat]

Stage Ennis, definitely a stage. 

[dougskiles]

Why is a guy who lives in Orange Park questioning the decisions of the Jacksonville City Council?

[thelakelander]

but they are chairs made of gold and platinum and laced in diamonds..... Come on taxpayers, $20k for chairs is a drop in the bucket.

[tufsu1]

Batgirl is up now...and she brought her young son (dressed up as bat boy) to the meeting as well!

[thelakelander]

ban her!

[thelakelander]

Stage Ennis, definitely a stage. 

Certainly looks like one.

[tufsu1]

Jacksonville is soooo family friendly...that alone kills the vibe for young people. 

sorry simms....but that is oversimplification...lots of young people are also supportive of family-friendly policies and places

[Cheshire Cat]

Jacksonville is soooo family friendly...that alone kills the vibe for young people. 

sorry simms....but that is oversimplification...lots of young people are also supportive of family-friendly policies and places

Lot's of older folks are as well. 

[TheCat]

This speaker is offended by the Council's disrespect for the people speaking. He's going after the council passing the chair purchase "is there a reason they cost $1000 per chair." Asks council if the chairs are in bad condition. Bishop says they are in bad condition. He asks "can I take a look at them?" Bishop says, "you can after the meeting." He says, he didn't come here tonight for a t-shirt. He came on his own regard. He doesn't want to be dismissed because of his age (he is younger).

Lee wants the speaker to know that just because you see affirmative votes without discussion in the council does not mean that the bill was not vetted and heavily discussed.

he says yeah but "$20,000 in chairs."

next speaker:

Discussing that issue is not the loudness of music but the type of music. She's wearing a cape. Cute, yellow cap.

I was a little doubtful that the issue was anything more than a loudness issue and it had nothing to do with the type of music. I can see myself getting frustrated if I had to deal with loud projected sounds on a regular basis but I would deal with it and probably come to enjoy it. But, that's not the issue.

This is one of those "never ceases to amaze me" moments. We are really having a footloose situation.

AND, I love how the arguments that events create jobs seems to be such an ignored proposition by the council. The hilarity and the irony is so so deep.

[TheCat]

This speaker:

Recording decibals of the last speaker complaining about sound. He says, she was speaking at 75 decibels. How is a limit of 80 decibels practical for a venue? He says he is a home owner and he is not opposed to sound. Why would you stop something that isn't even a big deal? Everything is cut off at 12am anyway. 

[Cheshire Cat]

Last speaker steps up and bobbles head for extended time.  States, noise is the enemy as is the State, Satan is the god of this world.  Bobble head several times.  We have officially stepped into the "Twilight Zone".  This fellow must be related to Redman.  That was bizarre.