LIVE BLOG: MOBILITY FEE MORATORIUM: Rules&Finance Committee

Started by TheCat, March 11, 2013, 04:05:54 PM

TheCat

So far it looks like the majority of the people here tonight are for the moratorium. Employees and lobbyists.

There is no time allotted for public hearing. 

The way this will work. Each side has a designated presenter. Presentation time than rebuttal time.

TheCat


TheCat

calvin burney, Director of Planning is up.

Starts with a historical perspective.

says:

4 strategies of mobility plan:

connect land use and transportation
provide a multi modal plan
fund mobility
incentivize quality growth and development




TheCat

Each of the 5 development areas were designated a VMT to assess a projects impact.

Mobility Fee formula:

A x B X C = Mobility Fee

A= cost per VMT (24.31)
B= average VMT per development area
C= projected daily vehicle trips

Fee is applied to defined geographic area.
Ensures a rational relationship between transportation cost and development

thelakelander

Quote from: Cheshire Cat on March 11, 2013, 03:44:55 PM
This is what Carla Miller is working on right now and the reason for the thread she opened here on MJ asking about this very issue.  Make sure to read what she is asking which directly pertains to this.

Those attending the meeting, here is what to watch for. Richard Clark or another supporter on council will likely call forward a speaker of his choice under the guise of asking a question or two, of course this is in order to open up the floor to comments supporting his bill.  This is how committee meetings are gamed toward one side or the other.  Go to the council members who oppose the extension and let them know you come with alternate facts and would be happy to "answer their questions about why the moratorium is not needed."  You must get this message to them prior to the meeting and if you must, give a note to their council aides declaring your presence and willingness to "answer questions about the moratorium issue."  If you see the meeting being gamed by proponents and buddies on council, make sure to send a "note" via legislative services while the meeting is in session, to the chair of the committee letting them know you see this as unfair and that you know what is taking place.

With this in mind, I noticed Curtis Hart coming out of the green room about five minutes before the meeting started....
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." - Muhammad Ali

fsujax


Bridges

Quote from: thelakelander on March 11, 2013, 04:15:43 PM
Quote from: Cheshire Cat on March 11, 2013, 03:44:55 PM
This is what Carla Miller is working on right now and the reason for the thread she opened here on MJ asking about this very issue.  Make sure to read what she is asking which directly pertains to this.

Those attending the meeting, here is what to watch for. Richard Clark or another supporter on council will likely call forward a speaker of his choice under the guise of asking a question or two, of course this is in order to open up the floor to comments supporting his bill.  This is how committee meetings are gamed toward one side or the other.  Go to the council members who oppose the extension and let them know you come with alternate facts and would be happy to "answer their questions about why the moratorium is not needed."  You must get this message to them prior to the meeting and if you must, give a note to their council aides declaring your presence and willingness to "answer questions about the moratorium issue."  If you see the meeting being gamed by proponents and buddies on council, make sure to send a "note" via legislative services while the meeting is in session, to the chair of the committee letting them know you see this as unfair and that you know what is taking place.

With this in mind, I noticed Curtis Hart coming out of the green room about five minutes before the meeting started....

Chesire nailed it.
So I said to him: Arthur, Artie come on, why does the salesman have to die? Change the title; The life of a salesman. That's what people want to see.

TheCat

Mobility Plan will be evaluated every 5 years with the N. Fl. TPO's long range transportation plan. Fees may be reassessed at that time.

MP does:

incentivizes infill and redevelopment
incentivizes quality growth
guides the market
focuses on the future

Shows that we have lost at least 5 million.

The first waiver:

construction had to be completed.


2nd waiver:

Construction did not have to be completed.

Burney is at his ten minute mark. Clay is asking him to wrap up.


Burney compares St. Johns to Duval...but I missed his point.

thelakelander

Calvin Burney is giving a general presentation on the background of the mobility plan. We ran a presentation similar to this a while back. Here's a link:

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2010-dec-2030-mobility-plan-presentation

Unfortunately, Calvin is getting cut off because his 10 minutes are up. However, he did mention that under this current mobility fee moratorium proposal, certain projects would be exempt from paying a fee for eternity. I'm not sure what a short term moratorium has in common with this.
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." - Muhammad Ali

Cheshire Cat

I have fought many a fight at this City Hall and know the game.  Make sure equal time is allotted for both sides.  I mean have someone time the speakers.  Who is supposed to be speaking for the opposition to the moratorium?
Diane Melendez
We're all mad here!

TheCat

W. Doug.

Promises to not speak more than 6 minutes. Why? he's already talked to all of them. He's not presenting anything....just talking.

Says:
--Moblity plan only allots 8% for bike/pedestrian development.
--82 million dollars in development have been incentivized from the first waiver.
--Mobility fee is not bondable.
--Reminds council of developments in brooklyn that received a fee waiver. The mobility fee moratorium is like that.

Cheshire Cat

Is this noise?  lol  Didn't some of the Brooklyn developments fall through?
Diane Melendez
We're all mad here!

thelakelander

Wyman Duggan is up for the moratorium proponents. Wyman just mentioned his flawed spreadsheet's $82 million.  Here's a copy for you:



Wyman's $82 million number includes several projects that had nothing to do with the waiver.  40% of those projects he's included, should not be on his list.  I wonder if any councilmember will pick this up.

Curtis Hart is up. He just mentioned he directly benefited from the mobility fee moratorium when his fee was waived for a Tractor Supply store on the Northside. They also mentioned 7-11 and RaceTrac sent letter saying they would not have built in Jax if there was no moratorium in place.
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." - Muhammad Ali

Bridges

They have a letter from 7-11 stating that 7-11 would have abandoned Jax market if fees in place.  My eyes just rolled out of my head onto the floor.
So I said to him: Arthur, Artie come on, why does the salesman have to die? Change the title; The life of a salesman. That's what people want to see.

thelakelander

Sleiman is involved with a large number of local 7-11 projects this year.  I'm very skeptical of that letter, since they are also rapidly expanding in Tampa, Orlando, and Miami.....all of which have some form of transportation impact fee. On 7-11 alone, we could easily give up $8-$10 million to them this year.
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." - Muhammad Ali