Live Blogging from City Council: Mobility Fee Moratorium

[thelakelander]

He probably will stay there but I'll at least attempt to point him to the true sources and answers.  What he does with that information is for him to decide.

[thelakelander]

Good comments, Ock. Mike Saylor of the DIA is now up.

[Ocklawaha]

Councilman Lumb has been the builders private enabler.

[TheCat]

Ocklawaha : Completely opposes the moratorium. Builders do not understand that street cars increased property values by 53%. Within 3 blocks of a street car line property value increases by 150%.

[fieldafm]

Wow...that is surprising....I had counted Lumb on the other side from the start

Lumb, who reads this forum, is squarely on the side that supports the moratorium. 

[thelakelander]

Great comments by Mike. 

[Cheshire Cat]

Lumb want's to see what Ennis has to say so that his "peeps" will be able to rebut those facts with their own info. 

[TheCat]

Lumb? Based on the interaction I just saw...no. He is for the moratorium. He was feeding leading questions to "Toi".

And then lumb thanked him for explaining everything so well.

[TheCat]

Good bye. Good talk everyone.

[dougskiles]

I got a response!  I'm going to call his aide in the morning.

I'm not surprised.  Lumb is probably the most accessible council member there.  He is always quick to return calls and emails, and is a very enjoyable person to discuss issues with.  Some we disagree on, however, he is easy to like and respectful.

[Cheshire Cat]

I don't see him as all that respectful. His attitude and bias toward Mr. Ahmed and members of the GLBT community was deplorable.
 

[thelakelander]

Lumb want's to see what Ennis has to say so that his "peeps" will be able to rebut those facts with their own info. 

All you can do with facts that don't support your case is create...umm.....noise.  You know....pollute the river, it's about jobs.  Spend $300 million on the Outer Beltway, well it's about jobs.  A moratorium with a clause that provides a waiver for eternity...umm we need jobs.  We'll let's just hope we aren't subsidizing job creation at a rate to where it never actually pays for itself.

If these guys can provide actual documentation without a doubt that a moratorium is a fiscal plus for Jacksonville taxpayers, both short and long term, then let's sit down and have a serious discussion.  However, at this point, like Dan Davis, all I hear is noise around a fee structure that already gives them a huge break and the opportunity to reduce it more. 

Also, at what point does an impact fee make a project not feasible and how do you come to that conclusion to throw the baby out with the bathwater by implementing a moratorium for everyone? Do we really believe 7-Eleven and Waffle House are struggling to penetrate Jacksonville's market?

[fieldafm]

When I see that Waffle House getting built, I just thank the good Lord that taxpayers subsidized minimum wage jobs. 

[Cheshire Cat]

So true Ennis and my experience tells me they will be making a lot of noise in the face of facts. They are masters of spin, but those opposed to the bill can cancel that noise with documentation and numbers.  Lumb has bought into this and what we saw tonight with his repeated launching of softballs was a well orchestrated give and take which I have seen far to many times in this city.  What will happen between now and the vote will be a lot of maneuvering behind the scenes to shore up votes for this bill. Promises will be made and good buddies aplenty to satisfy.   Believe it or not, one of the people you should talk to in this case is Redman who is an avid bike rider.  Opponents to this bill need to be every bit as active between now the the day the bill is voted on.  I say this from years of first hand experience.

[tufsu1]

Daniel Davis did make a reference to dribbling a basketball.....I did notice the Globetrotters will be in town this weekend....talk about deflection...how appropriate!