DOJ Sends Letter to Florida Demanding It Stop Purging Voter Rolls

[finehoe]

Is there any evidence for any of your claims?

Scroll back through the earlier posts and I posted evidence that the whole "voter fraud" issue is bogus.

Here's a listing of educational levels by state.  Make of it what you will:  http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0233.pdf

[BridgeTroll]

Is there any evidence for any of your claims?

Scroll back through the earlier posts and I posted evidence that the whole "voter fraud" issue is bogus.

Here's a listing of educational levels by state.  Make of it what you will:  http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0233.pdf

Not very good evidence.  You mean this??

U.S. News and World Report in April that the number of people who have been prosecuted successfully for voter fraud is “ridiculously low.”

Perhaps because they choose not to?  Perhaps because they cannot find the fictitious person after the fact?  How do you prosecute a dead guy?  or a dog?

If the issue is the method of voter verification then lets figure it out.  If the feds have the most accurate information then they should provide it.  If this happens to be too soon before an election... then lets pick it up after.

Of course none of this will happen... because the democrats don't want to enforce voter verification... just like immigration... they don't want to enforce laws against illegal entry to the country...

The pattern is pretty clear...

[finehoe]

Not very good evidence.  You mean this??

I mean this:  Americans are more likely to be struck by lightning than to commit voter fraud.  justin levitt, the brennan center for justice, the truth about “voter fraud” 3, 23 (2007), available at http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/d/download_file_38347.pdf  (various studies of voter fraud in Missouri, New Jersey, and Wisconsin revealed voter fraud rates of 0.0003%, 0.0004%, and 0.0002%, respectively).

hey don't want to enforce laws against illegal entry to the country...

Yeah right: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatnews/8839100/US-deportations-reach-record-high.html

The pattern is pretty clear...

That pattern that is clear is that you have no evidence for the bogus claims you post as "fact".  Quoting an article about a dead dog receiving a registration form is proof of nothing.

[BridgeTroll]

lol... no agenda at the ol brennan center...

[finehoe]

lol... no agenda at the ol brennan center...

Typical fact-free response.

[BridgeTroll]

Typical "voter suppression" red herring.  Finehoe... I want 100% of eligible voters to vote.  Anyone attempting to keep people from the polls should be prosecuted.  If the system to clean up the rolls is lacking correct information should we not attempt to get correct information?

Most elections are won and lost by pretty large margins.  Is it any surprise that no one wishes to spend time and energy trying to find fraudulent votes?  How few votes are you OK to lose by?

I simply want to improve the system... pretty simple... nothing evil or dirty... no ill intentions.

[finehoe]

I simply want to improve the system... pretty simple... nothing evil or dirty... no ill intentions.

A goal you share with the Brennan Center, who you cavalierly dismissed.

The Brennan Center has proposals to improve electronic voting[1], modernize our registration system[2], and curb the possibility of fraud[3].

[1]http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/voting_system_failures_a_database_solution/
[2]http://www.brennancenter.org/content/pages/voter_registration_modernization
[3]http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/truthaboutvoterfraud/

[BridgeTroll]

awesome... so why the opposition from feds and democrats to florida's attempt to do that?

[finehoe]

awesome... so why the opposition from feds and democrats to florida's attempt to do that?

Read the post that started this thread.

[BridgeTroll]

did that... so you will support the effort once the election is over.  That is great news!

[finehoe]

did that... so you will support the effort once the election is over.  That is great news!

I have no issue with it if the Scott Administration can demonstrate to the DOJ that they neither have the purpose nor it will have the effect of discriminating on account of race, color, or membership in a language minority group.  I just think it will be a lot of money spent to little effect.

[BridgeTroll]

Here are the requirements... so it really is not an issue... even now.

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/voter-registration/voter-reg.shtml

Who Can Register to Vote

In order to register to vote in Florida, you must:
1.Be a Citizen of the United States of America (a lawful permanent resident is not a U.S. citizen);
2.Be a Florida resident;
3.Be 18 years old (you may pre-register to vote if you are 16 years old, but you cannot vote until you are 18 years old).
4.Not now be adjudicated mentally incapacitated with respect to voting in Florida or any other state without having the right to vote restored;
5.Not have been convicted of a felony without your civil rights having been restored; and
6.Provide your current and valid Florida driver’s license number or Florida identification card number. If you do not have a Florida driver’s license number or a Florida identification card number then you must provide the last four digits of your Social Security Number. If you do not have any of these items, you must write “none” in the box or field.

I would endorse a modification to number 6 to require a valid picture ID.

[ChriswUfGator]

Picture ID's carry fees to obtain, to get one costs a fee directly, and you have to present multiple other documents of your identification that all have fees attached before they'll issue it, thanks to Rick Scott, e.g. passports, utility bills, etc. What happens if someone can't afford to obtain a driver's license or government issued photo ID? They can't vote?

[Adam W]

Picture ID's carry fees to obtain, to get one costs a fee directly, and you have to present multiple other documents of your identification that all have fees attached before they'll issue it, thanks to Rick Scott, e.g. passports, utility bills, etc. What happens if someone can't afford to obtain a driver's license or government issued photo ID? They can't vote?

They also often require you transport yourself somewhere (usually during "office hours") to get the ID. So there is an issue of transportation as well as possibly taking time off work.

[ChriswUfGator]

I agree with you Adam, I think what you're seeing is a wholesale exercise in attempted disenfranchisement of underprivileged voters. Especially in areas like Jacksonville, where the DMV's are located in the suburbs and the only source of transportation for some people is JTA, you're limiting the voting pool to those who can afford the onerous ID requirements and who can afford to own a car to obtain the ID. There is a reason polling places are located within walking distance, by only allowing you to utilize one after you've been required to go to a bunch of places that aren't easily accessible to low income people, and forcing them to pay a bunch of fees that these people can't afford, you're just wrongfully disenfranchising voters.