DOJ Sends Letter to Florida Demanding It Stop Purging Voter Rolls

[JeffreyS]

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/national-govt-politics/poll-florida-residents-support-purge-of-voter-roll/nPbQN/

Funny thing about Florida Voters, you never know what they will support:

Palm Beach Post Capital Bureau
Tallahassee â€" Florida voters overwhelmingly support Gov. Rick Scott‘s effort to remove non-citizens from the state’s voter rolls and they continue to back the “Stand Your Ground” self-defense law, a new Quinnipiac University poll says.

Take that Obama!!!

I just wish it was actually an effort to remove non citizens.  It is an effort to intimidate a group of legal voters.  The backing the stand  your ground law is just evidence this state is not very educated.

That said I don't mind verifying people as they register to vote. If there is a problem worth spending the money on but as we all know the "problem" is fantasy.

[mtraininjax]

The backing the stand  your ground law is just evidence this state is not very educated.

Any poll is worth what you paid for it.

[NotNow]

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/national-govt-politics/poll-florida-residents-support-purge-of-voter-roll/nPbQN/

Funny thing about Florida Voters, you never know what they will support:

Palm Beach Post Capital Bureau
Tallahassee — Florida voters overwhelmingly support Gov. Rick Scott‘s effort to remove non-citizens from the state’s voter rolls and they continue to back the “Stand Your Ground” self-defense law, a new Quinnipiac University poll says.

Take that Obama!!!

I just wish it was actually an effort to remove non citizens.  It is an effort to intimidate a group of legal voters.  The backing the stand  your ground law is just evidence this state is not very educated.

That said I don't mind verifying people as they register to vote. If there is a problem worth spending the money on but as we all know the "problem" is fantasy.

Is there any evidence for any of your claims?  I actually participated in the Quinnipiac poll, and they asked for education level.  That information should be available in the poll.  I am constantly amused at the assumption of superior "intelligence" and "education" by those that have no valid debate points.

[mtraininjax]

I am constantly amused at the assumption of superior "intelligence" and "education" by those that have no valid debate points.

You are in the right place here on the MJ board then, for sure! We have all kinds of people and intellect interacting with the forces of nature.

[JeffreyS]

I am going to admit no evidence. I also have no evidence that the President's recent decision to stop ejecting some young illegals was politically motivated by an election year but it was.

Self defense laws are fine, stand your ground is dumb.

A quality verification of voter role is fine, just kicking people off with the caveat that they can go through twice what others go through once just before an election is not.

These are my opinions and they are correct.

[mtraininjax]

Self defense laws are fine, stand your ground is dumb.

Stand your ground is a self defense idea, so a contradiction so close to midnight? Some day, stand your ground in your own house, on your own property, may save your life, or you can choose to become a victim.

I choose mine and my family's life, so you can be sure I am "standing my ground" on my property. Off my property, whole new ball game, no one, to me gets to make that call except for City/State/Federal law enforcement.

[JeffreyS]

I know stand your ground is an attempt to improve self defense but it is a failure on a practical front that is obvious.  To have the standard be that you are afraid someone will harm you is just not good enough. Self defense is an affirmative legal defense that removes a presumption of innocence. You have to prove yourself needed defending and just being afraid does not qualify imo and if there is another way short of killing someone we should be required to take it.  I hate that stand your ground has become politicized it is a dumb concept that we shouldn't be arguing over. Lots of good stuff you can bash my liberal ass over.

[mtraininjax]

You have to prove yourself needed defending and just being afraid does not qualify imo and if there is another way short of killing someone we should be required to take it.  I hate that stand your ground has become politicized it is a dumb concept that we shouldn't be arguing over. Lots of good stuff you can bash my liberal ass over.

Until you walk a mile in a man's shoes......you know the rest.

[JeffreyS]

You have to prove yourself needed defending and just being afraid does not qualify imo and if there is another way short of killing someone we should be required to take it.  I hate that stand your ground has become politicized it is a dumb concept that we shouldn't be arguing over. Lots of good stuff you can bash my liberal ass over.

Until you walk a mile in a man's shoes......you know the rest.

I am sure people really are afraid and I don't want to be in their shoes having to make the decision to shoot or not. However if you choose the responsibility of a gun no one is promising you it will be easy.  Fear is real and powerful and not good enough you need to actually be in danger without other options imo.

[mtraininjax]

However if you choose the responsibility of a gun no one is promising you it will be easy.  Fear is real and powerful and not good enough you need to actually be in danger without other options imo.

I agree, look for other options when you have them, but if it comes down to your life or the intruder's on your property and all options are extinguished......Hence the need for the stand your ground, but with limitations, in the Zimmerman case, and I am no lawyer, I do not believe the law was meant to wander the streets looking to protect the community with a gun and shoot anyone who you perceive to be a threat. I bet Zimmerman wishes he would have stayed in his car and waited for the police to arrive, every day and every hour.

[JeffreyS]

Isn't the point of stand your ground that you do not have or find other options or even prove more than that you feared for your life?  No lawyer here either and we could probably find common ground on self defense.

[mtraininjax]

JeffreyS, agreed, how do you like my new Avatar? I like the messiah look for a while, since he was new and we know neither candidate is pure as the first winter snow.....

[Timkin]

JeffreyS, agreed, how do you like my new Avatar? I like the messiah look for a while, since he was new and we know neither candidate is pure as the first winter snow.....

I was going to say... LOL.. M-train .. Whats with the Obama/ Messiah  Avatar  ?

[mtraininjax]

Well, I needed to change, Alvin is doing himself in, no need for anymore Hogan VooDoo, so now its time to put the hex on Obama with a replay of what we all bought into from 2008, Hope and Change, and where that has gotten us 4 years later, the self-appointed messiah has yet to deliver, but keeps on making promises, blaming others, not himself. Typical politician, but nice to see where he came from...

[Timkin]

Could not agree more.  On either count .